Last night, I floated an idea in the Discord about a fun thing that could be done for the season. My main resistance to setting dates and posting a thread is that participation on the site is way down compared to before across the board. The last contest was surprising in how many people actually submitted entries, but it still wasn't on the level of previous ones.
That in mind, I figured we ought to have a thread where we can bat around ideas for things like contests and try to gauge interest/potential engagement before committing. If you have something you'd like to see done on the site, toss it out there.
So, my own proposal is for a 'ghost stories' themed event for the summer.
To be clear, I don't necessarily mean horror stories. I think ghost stories can be spooky, funny, and many other things besides. As long as they're stories that have a clear 'supernatural' element, they fall into that umbrella, in my opinion. That'd be the general theme.
As to the form of such an event, I don't have a real clear idea. I don't think a contest is really warranted, personally. Contests are already sort of old-hat here, and some have even been put off participating by the faux-competitive aspect. Accordingly, it probably should be more of an 'exhibition' than anything. How that should play out from a procedural perspective is the lingering question.
That's where the rest of you come in. I'd really like to see a fair show of support for an event like that before putting in the time and effort to plan it out. And it'd be nice to hear any ideas anyone else might have. The floor's open.
if we were to do an event like this when would we do it?
>>16261 I really like the idea of a ghost stories theme, and making it "more of an exhibition" also appeals to me, its far easier to justify posting something if I don't have to worry about it being explicitly measured against other peoples.
>>16261 >As long as they're stories that have a clear 'supernatural' element, they fall into that umbrella Sort of sounds like Touhou, in general, but I understand what you mean. I think it's an interesting theme with plenty of potential. Not sure if I'd participate as it would depend on getting a workable idea.
>>16263 The previous contests barely measured much of anything. Sure, there was a "winner" but it's not like many people bothered to put much thought into the actual judging part.
>>16263 >when I didn't come in with a particular date or time in mind, since I doubted there'd even be interest, but let's say August or September for the sake of argument. If anyone wants to push for something different, the floor is, as stated, open for discussion.
That said, there'd first need to be more people giving definite affirmatives on participation for that to even become a question to seriously address.
ill give it a honest shot for what it's worth i've had something in mind that falls somewhere in the "spooky" camp and have so far failed every time when i've tried to write it. Third time's the charm?
Sorry for the lack of discussion for some days. I got a bit sidetracked with other projects.
I'm seeing a showing of five people giving reasonably solid affirmatives, so I guess we can call that a fair interest. So, that leaves a more solid date and the actual form of the event to be decided. I tentatively named 'August or September' above, but I'd like to hear some feedback on that.
What works for everyone? What doesn't work? If possible, it'd be nice to catch some stretch when no one expects to be too busy to participate. Weigh in.
I'd be up for a Spooktember event. I just don't really get what OP means by a "ghost story". From the sounds of it, any kind of youkai hijink would fit the bill, and that's not quite what I imagine a spook related theme to be about.
>>16285 >>16295 Here's the thing: As I see it, this isn't a contest, so there's no need to fit some kind of narrow criteria just to 'qualify'. If you think a ghost story is one thing, then go with that. It's not like I'm going to shout "That doesn't count! Disqualified!" or some such.
Really, I avoid setting an explicit definition for the express purpose of the event being able to include anyone's definition of a ghost story; none of us are likely to understand such a term the exact same way.
>>16298 That said, I should also note that I'm not the sole arbiter of how things happen. If you guys want there to be one definition of a ghost story for the event or whatever, then that seems like something to discuss amongst yourselves. For my part, I'm not interested in setting such a limitation, but majority rules.
I mostly just took "ghost story" themed to mean "either tangentially themed after campfire/ghost/horror stories, or involving them in some way" with literally anything being valid for the event, so long as its got some relation to the event theme, which I think is a good idea, keep it open with the stipulation its at least related to the theme in some way, but no limitation on how that's done.
Though if people decide it needs to be more specific, I personally think the best way to narrow it down would be that the story either has to be one, include one, or have one as a plot point/prop.
I already said much of this on the Discord, but I suppose I ought to restate it for, if nothing else, consistency with my 'do things on the site' ethos:
Considering we're getting towards the middle of July already with little in the way of particulars discussed, I believe it would be a good idea for anyone who has any strong feeling at all about the figurative Spooktember to stir up some conversation on how the event should be conducted. Personally, I have no preconceived notion as to what such an even would look like in practical terms, so I'll be no help there.
Which brings me to another big point: Even though I've been the one propping up discussions at this point, it hasn't been because I necessarily want to be the 'leader' of this venture. I don't even have plans to participate in Spooktember should it come to fruition. In general, I feel it'd be better for someone who does plan to participate (or at least has stronger feelings on it than I do) to take the reins. So, y'know, if you feel confident enough in your cat-herding skills, take it away.
>>16307 Contests have been like 1. main thread for the contest talking about the rules and dates in OP 2. separate threads for the actual entries in different categories 3. everybody posts before the end date 4. readers vote in main thread 5. winners announced after voting ends
It's not gonna be a contest so maybe no categories needed? Might not need a different thread for entries too unless it's more like the masks carnival deal, but that would be a bigger thing than OP was talking about I think
Oh actually what are we gonna do if we're not voting for something? Feedback?? That's kinda what we do normally for contests, just no votes along with it in this case
>>16309 this seems like a fairly solid way to go about things honestly, dont see any reason not to still do it like this even if it remains a non-competition, just as you said, skip the votes and categories and just do feedback.
infact screw it, if anyone wants to put their own hat in this ring they can list their own set but i say we just
[X] Do a "competition" with no votes or categories. -stories have their own threads, and are posted from the 1st of September to the 31st.
>>16310 the only thing about updating every day is some people could be doing shorts instead of long stories so that would be a bit different, plus that overlaps kinda with nanowrimo [ are we doing that this year? ]
and about it not being a contest, something was said about others not liking the competition part so it's probably a way of including those people as well
so sort of like others but a slight different idea [x] a non-competition with no votes -maybe categories for shorts versus long stories -sure everything in its own thread, post a link in the contest one to show you're taking part
A non-competition with no votes would kind of defeat the idea of a "contest"-like. I'm thinking doing something similar to the mask carnival event might be a better option to draw more participants in and ease them into the whole anonymity thing that is common in imageboards (there's been several new people on the Discord confused about how it works/why we don't identify ourselves like at a regular forum). People would post their shorts/stories in their respective votes, while we could use a central thread to have general discussions about why this or that story is good and why everybody else should read it.
>>16314 >defeat the idea of a "contest"-like I don't think that was ever the point?? OP suggested an "exhibition" and some people agreed with that. anyway I don't see how what you're suggesting is any different, like it's just people posting stories and others talking about them instead of deciding a "winner" right?
>>16496 Aside from last year for whatever reason, we've tended to have at least a single general writing contest every year. Nothing fancy — just a bunch of blokes submitting short entries and being judged by anon.
>>16523 Would need to be a lot more responses than a single affirmative to even decide that. At the very least, I'm not going to just plunk down a date and hope people show up. That always ends in disappointment.
>>16528 >theme I don't care either way, since I'm not going to be writing, but I do wonder if some people might not be put off by the idea of a themed annual contest. They were all pretty much free-for-alls in the past. Granted, that did tend to make voting essentially a popularity contest rather than any real measure of an entry's quality, but it is something to consider as far as possible participant numbers.
>>16530 I was replying seriously in an attempt to steer things away from a horrendous 'joke', but sure.
>>16531 Well, there's at least one person here who would be pretty enthusiastic about that one. I guess there's a couple of semi-interesting characters that would fit, so I'm fine with it, speaking as a reader/voter.
I'm not sure I'd participate as it'd depend on my free time. But insofar themes are concerned I think anything that is specific enough to narrow things down while also being broad enough to give people space for their own takes is good. I think you can more or less just pick anything and if no one objects, go with it. Just be clear what it entails.
Like, "red", does that mean characters that wear red or also stuff like blood or a sunset or whatever? Make sure everyone is on the same page for what is and isn't allowed/expected.
That might be a little too broad. Something more restrictive like... "writing a letter" or "accomplishing a goal" for example might be better as far as themes go. Instead of just saying that you can only use X cast or whatever, you give a general idea what the story has to be about. I think that might make it easier for (some?) people to think about what to write, anyway.
>>16533 Guy who >>16532 is probably talking a out here. I threw out the "red" suggestion as a joke following the previous idea of "prominent women of color" (which was also initially a shitpost, I believe) but if you guys really want to take it seriously, I' day go for it. As I've said back in Matrix, I was thinking it could be anything so long as something red is prominent in the story - be it something as superficial as a redhead Touhou character as a protagonist or a red object that catches any one character's attention; or something merely technically related like a retelling of the Scarlet Mist Incident, or even something as abstract as an angry character being so angry they cam only see red.
If someone else can come up with a more serious, better idea for a theme, by all means do so, I just threw mine on a whim. Although, in my experience from past contests, limiting the theme to a particular cast of characters, like the "nameless characters" idea mentioned above, tends to attract less people to participate if they're simply not interested in said cast.
Overall, themes are going to screen out certain people who aren't interested, anyway. It's just a trade-off between either a) people can't decide what to write and don't bother or b) some people don't like the theme and don't bother.
That all said, I do think it might be best to narrow it down a little further. I wouldn't be able to really make up my mind what to do just given 'anything to do with red'.
Something that comes to me off-hand is 'a hot day in Gensokyo'. To be more specific, every entry would need to be about something involving high temperatures; that could be anything from a forest on fire to a nuclear reactor to an oven in someone's kitchen. It's timely — considering everybody's on fire right now — and it's narrow enough as far as a subject whilst being broad enough to allow for a lot of things. You want to do something about a nuclear meltdown, or 2hus frolicking by the river to cool off? All good.
And, I mean, you could work some kind of red-hot colour component into it if you're still dead-set on that, I guess.
Dunno, though. That's just a thought off the top of my head. How does it sound?
I know I said I wasn't going to run this, but I'm seeing a lack of discussion now, so I'm strongly tempted to give it a go anyway. If nobody objects to >>16537 within the next couple of days, I'm going to pick a Friday in late August and declare that the start.
Okay, that's a challenge accepted. Count me in bud, cause that already gives me the idea of an abnormal heat-stroke bothering gensokyo and Tenshi goes to solve it because Heaven is one of the highest places there and thus she's inconvencienced the most by it. Something like that.
The sword of hisou happens to be red too, so that would cover both themes in one stone!
Question though: Can we prepare for this event or can you only write the moment that day hits? I may be mistaking this for a nanowrimo not gonna lie. If the former I can just start writing now.
>>16538 Slight clarification: Starting Friday 22 July 2022, 12:00 Central US Time, if no one has voiced any opposing opinions by that time, I will adopt a tripcode for organisational purposes and put forward for consideration any further proposals as to procedural details as they come to mind. Please voice any objections to these procedings before that time.
Leadership for 2022 Annual Contest!ZKBdFKP.PM2022/07/22 (Fri) 20:43No. 16546▼
Alright, as no one has objected, I hereby accept responsibility for the 2022 Annual Contest and its conduct. This will be my tripcode as organiser.
My first act is to set the starting date for submissions as Friday, 26 August 2022, the ending date for submissions/starting date for voting as Friday, 16 September 2022, and the ending date for voting as Friday, 23 September 2022. Any submissions after the final cutoff date will not be accepted.
My second act is to put forth a proposal regarding categories:
As we aren't likely to have as many entries as years previous, and there is the inclusion of a theme, I see no reason to split the submissions between 'Veteran' and 'Newbie'. I propose that we have two categories of 'General' and 'NSFW', inclusive of newcomers and otherwise. Should there be any objections to this proposal, please register them within the next week. If none are heard by then, I will consider this proposal accepted. Alternative proposals are welcome.
To be clear about contest procedure: * Do not begin writing before the starting date. Pre-written entries defeat the purpose of a contest as a show of skill under constraints of time and theme. * All submissions must be anonymous. You may, if you wish, reveal which piece you wrote after the voting is finished and the result is announced; identifying your submission beforehand will result in disqualification in the vote. * A general thread will be posted in /gensokyo/ for the contest itself. This is where all discussions and votes will take place. There is no set timeframe for posting this thread. Should none be posted less than two weeks prior to the starting date of the contest, efforts should be made to remind me in this thread and on Matrix/Discord. Should none be posted less than a week prior, a new organiser may be appointed or appoint themselves. * In accordance with whatever number of categories are decided, there will be that number of threads posted in /shorts/. These threads are where all submissions will go. They will be posted after the beginning of the contest. * Submissions posted outside of the appropriate thread will not be accepted. Similarly, submissions made after the contest end date will not be accepted. Other criteria may exclude contest entries from judgement. These will not be exhaustively enumerated and are at my discretion. * An announcement will be made when voting begins. The qualified entries will be listed at that time. Please vote only for the submissions on that list. Abstentions will be allowed for categories that voters do not wish to vote on; for the sake of clarity, please note when you choose to abstain and from what category. * There may be extensions of the deadline at my discretion, but only under very compelling circumstances. Should you wish for an extension, you will make your case in the appropriate thread no more than two weeks and no less than five days prior to the closing date of submissions. Early or last-minute calls for extensions will be ignored. Should it be determined that the timeframe will be extended, an announcement will be made to accommodate for a new voting period.
Please address all proposals, objections thereto, and enquiries regarding procedure to this thread; I will not answer further questions off-site. Announcements regarding the contest will be made in this thread and on Matrix/Discord.
As no objections have been put forth in the timeframe set, I will consider the proposal accepted.
Accordingly, the categories for the contest will now follow this scheme: * There will be two categories for entry submission — General and NSFW. * The General category will be open to all entries from newcomers and veterans alike as a catch-all category for non-pornographic entries. * The NSFW category will be open to all entries from newcomers and veterans alike as a catch-all category for pornographic entries.
Also, some errata to the previous announcement: * '[...] there will be that number of threads posted in /shorts/[,]' should read, '[...] there will be that number of threads posted in /shorts/ and /at/.' * 'Similarly, submissions made after the contest end date will not be accepted[,]' should read, 'Similarly, submissions made after the submissions window will not be accepted.'
Any further errata will be announced as necessary.
As of this time, I have no other proposals to make regarding contest procedure. Should you wish to propose anything, please present it here to this thread for discussion. Otherwise, look forward to Friday, 26 August 2022, the start date of the submissions window.
Does anyone think we need an explicit rule against voting for yourself for any hypothetical future contest? I didn't have any problem with it because it wasn't against any rule, but some people seemed kind of iffy about it even then.
The obvious, naïve solution would be to just make it a rule. Of course, the problem would be how to enforce that. At best, we're working on an honour system for everything. Still, I suppose it's more a matter of policy than anything; it's reasonable to expect most would be able to abide by a strong admonition.
Dunno, though. Any thoughts from anyone out there?
>>16606 I personally don't think it should be explicitly said, but it goes against the spirit of things to vote for your own entry in an anonymous contest. Unless the person genuinely thinks their entry was the best out of the bunch (and I know you authors never think that's the case), they shouldn't even consider that as an option.
>>16607 Come to think of it, the thought came to mind that we probably ought to call these things something other than 'contests' in future, considering they're less like true competitions and more like exhibitions than anything. Without the (fictional) auspices of a competition, I don't think it would be very far out of line for people to self-vote.
Regarding the vote of no confidence, I wonder if it might not be better to simply do all SFW for the next thing and have NSFW as a separate event altogether. That way, people who care about that can vote, and we don't have the majority making it a no contest by default. Then again, maybe the voting system could be different too?
Not a contest/exhibition/whatever, but I've batted around the idea of a sort of on-site 'book club' a couple of times. Basically, everybody would read the same story, and we'd all get together in a designated thread to discuss it, update by update.
I had a story picked out, but someone told me they wouldn't participate if it was that one, and I'd like to be accommodating to anyone even remotely interested. If anyone has any ideas, feel free to suggest them. I know finding a middle ground for people's tastes might be tricky, but I'd like to think it's possible. Ideally, it wouldn't be anything immensely well-known or long.
>>16626 Hard to give a comprehensive definition of that, but I guess I'm thinking of stuff like You Wake Up in Gensokyo, A Wizard is You, Being Meiling, Hakugyokurou LA, The Game, Do the Right Thing... Basically, the kinds of stories that have been recommended a lot on other sites or just generally talked about a lot in THP's history. IIRC, they also all have over ten threads each, which is a bit much; half that or less would be ideal, in my opinion.
So, given our somewhat pathetic turnout on the naughty side of things in the last contest – both in the, hurr hurr, input and the output – I’ve made the decision to host a remedial, all-you-can-smut, all-smut, all-smutty, smut-smut contest sometime soon. The time frame would likely encompass some part of January, as the pre-Christmas ball-busting and around-Christmas obligations would surely get in the writing way of many. Or provide a sweet, tempting excuse, anyway.
On this occasion, I’d like to request some feedback regarding the contest’s theme. My first and preferred idea would be something specifically non-specific akin to, say, one of the arbitrarily assigned Danbooru pools – for their particularity combined with the relative freedom of qualification. A preliminary discussion and later solitary cogitation gave rise to these example themes:
- Uncommon Stimulation – 2hus with weird parts, or perhaps weirdoes with regular parts, getting it on and themselves off. Has Youmu lost her phantom half in the Human Village again? And is… someone making out with it? Can Satori match her sister’s nimbleness in the tentacle department – in bed? What’s that strange thing on Misumaru’s head, and why does it look like it might feel really good to the touch…?
- Age Difference – Time for the hags of Gensokyo to show the young studs what they’re made of. Or maybe it’s the other way around… Nemuno has got her job cut out with that young man in her custody and only one bed to sleep on. Mokou may have been around since they were babies, but the village boys have no idea who that Westermarck guy was. And, wait. What about the male seniors? I hear Agatha Chris Q has an arrangement with Kosuzu’s grandfather for printing all those books at such a large rebate…
- Perversion of Canon – Take a canon situation. An incident from a game. A scene from the manga. Then grab it by the heredity and drag it screaming into the magical realm of porn. The animal spirits from WBaWC? Now slaves to their instincts as much as their bosses and pent-up as all hells. The Anxious Moustached Villager miraculously recovering from his doldrums? Reisen may have had something to do with it, on it, under and around it. Hey, wait a minute. Is that a Forbidden Template card in Takane’s stock…?
– OR –
We could do the eviller thing. The draconian thing. Stuff of despots. We could centre the contest around a single, predetermined character. Village Bicycle Bonanza: Akyuu’s Nine Nights of Infidelity, everyone gets a ride, whether they want to or not! Sanae’s Succession of Sexy Skirmishes, a coming-of-age compilation! Maybe even a Cortege of Kasen: Copulate or be Killed, a race for the favour of lewdy lady pink! This’d obviously narrow the playing field down a great deal, but you know what they say about writers with no constraints.
These are all simple suggestions anyway, and I’d welcome a soul more perverse than I coming up with a theme both more interesting and focused-yet-flexible to get those juices (creative ones) flowing. If you have any fancies you’d like to see turned into an entire contest for your personal pleasure, do let us know. Additionally, if the time frame has immediately set your face a-frown and your schedule a-fire, do comment also.
Failure to provide feedback may be faced with myself picking the time and theme on my own, with disastrous effects.
>>16675 I expect life's gonna keep kicking me in the nuts until well into February, so I don't think I can afford the time to enter any kind of contest.
As for the theme, I'd be down for the Uncommon Stimulation, as I think it's about the closest it can get to a good balance between freedom and focus, plus it lets the 2hus' more monsterly bits shine, which I believe is a big part of the series' appeal. Age theme is a bit too restrictive in terms of how many characters would lend themselves well to the kind of excuse plots it plays to, and personally I've never been a fan of perverting canon.
Above all else, however, I'd like to stress how focusing a contest on one specific character is a bad idea. There's historical precedent on this site that prove those never garner much interest, even without the smut negative modifier tacked on. And speaking for myself, I'm a very opinionated person about which 2hus are objectively good and which belong in the trash with ur waifu; opinions that get multiplied tenfold when it comes to porn. I'd know for a fact I have zero interest in reading smut of certain 2hus, let alone participate in a contest starring them alone.
>>16675 Going to be honest, I don't really care all that much for 'smut' as usually conceived by people here, so my interest in the majority of what's likely to appear is probably limited by default.
That said, if — and that is a massive if — I were to find some way to participate, the age-difference option would probably be the least disagreeable. I'm not a huge fan of 'uncommon stimulation' because people's ideas for it are usually lazy and cheap, and double for 'perversion of canon'.
An alternative I could counter-offer would be along the lines of: a focus on the ways rendezvouses go wrong and become uncomfortable, less than pleasing, or simply lacking, and perhaps how the concerned parties deal with that. That wouldn't be the most appealing to the low-effort smut peddlers, but I don't care what they think.
>>16676 >There's historical precedent on this site that prove those never garner much interest A single data point, and there were numerous mitigating factors that weren't apparent on-site.
I don't really think limiting entries is necessarily bad. People will always find crap excuses to not participate in things around here.
I've noticed we got some picky, picky pears around here when it comes to smut.
Hows about a contest were readers submit their three favorite Gelbooru images in the contest thread, and authors claim one to write their entry. This way, a certain level of support/buy-in/satisfaction is guaranteed.
>>16682 ...and, well, as to what I mean, pretty much what I said: an image isn't going to really jog any thoughts worthy of writing from me, especially most of the things people are likely to post; an image of a 2hu mid-coitus or in the nude is just inert to me.
Fair enough. What if each image had to be accompanied by a brief explanation of why the reader choose it. That way the author(s) can zero in on the thoughts/emotions of their chosen victims. I'd be pretty similar to the prompt system used in previous contests, except with a significantly higher amount of flexibility, and a moderately higher amount of cringe.
>>16689 >a brief explanation of why the reader chose it It's hard to really affirm or deny. I have a generally pessimistic feeling about the chances of someone else's enthusiasms for some image stirring much feeling in me; again, most of THP's conception of 'smut' is personally unappealing on a basic level.
>>16689 I'm still in support of the idea. Generally I'm quite the same way as the other anon with regard to not really enjoying what's often seen on THP qua 'smut', but I think it comes from a different place for me and I'd be more receptive to exogenous enthusiasms submitted from a reader-centric perspective than to what would ultimately still be enthusiasms as set by writerly committee.
>>16689 >brief explanation >implying it's not going to end up being a string of "idk but it get my penor hard" if anything >implying the bare effort of posting an image and writing a description isn't more effort than most of THP is willing to exert on any given day
SmutOP here. While I do dig the idea of pictures-to-stories, there may be a problem with it in the context of a contest. How will we grade the entries against each other if they end up – potentially – as different from one another as pictures can be? By accuracy? The specific poster’s gushiness of response?
>>16694 >nonsense about fetishes It isn't about that at all. It's more about literary merit than anything. I'd simply rather read a decent story that happens to involve sexual content rather than someone's masturbatory fantasy in prose.
>>16695 On one hand, I would make the case that these events hardly even need be 'contests' as such.
On the other, I do think there's some risk of turning the whole ordeal into a tawdry popularity contest without some narrowed lanes for critique. What those would be, I haven't the faintest. Could the sum of us ever agree on such criteria?
I'm a proponent of the spirit of the masses. An across-the-board vote just like always would be fine. Maybe with the option of multiple voting for up to, say, 33% of the total entry count, just so people can express their enjoyment a little more broadly.
>>16699 If we're talking multiple choice, then it may as well be a ranked voting system; i.e., the overall winner is the one with the most votes for top pick... or I suppose there could be a points scheme based on what place the voter gives it, but that might be a little bit of a pain for those keeping tally...
>>16704 Sounds way too complicated, apportioning points or ranks or whatever. I was thinking everyone just gets as many votes as would number about a third or so of the entries, and they could use as many or as few of them as they wanted. Just with the limit of one vote for one story from one person, and maybe the stipulation that it has to come with some sort of basic comment about why.
Yeah, it would mean voting power wouldn't technically be equal, but who gives a shit about that.
I don't know about you guys, but when contests entries are all centered around the same premise, I get tired of reading/critiquing them very quickly. As long as the contest format encourages some diverse entries, I'd be willing to capitulate to whatever annoying/arbitrary voting method get's decided on. I'd be a more than worthwhile trade.
For fuck's sake, I have to get back into the habit of long-form posting again.
Look, I don't mean to be short with you. I just think that there's value in even one single, unqualified bare vote—there's a value to the writer who receives it in hearing that thin, reedy note of approval and there's a value to the voter in having the little blade of grass to blow it out on—and even if there are no votes whatsoever then there's value at least in having sent around the invitation to come and be a part of all that's going on.
And, shit, I'll do it for you. I'll decide on a means of voting and I'll put the call out and I'll tally them and pronounce the frilly-hatted un-maid of honour myself, and if people don't like the colour of my bike shed then they can set up their own.
>>16714 Well, my dude, assuming you're the original proposer on this whole thing, I'm afraid you were going to have to make pretty arbitrary decisions from the start, since THPsies ain't exactly effective when it comes to basic fucking communication, much less collective decision making. So, sure, do what you like.
>>16715 I'm not even the smutOP. The details of the event are up to him. I'm just trying to grease the wheels in any way possible, short of grabbing the starting pistol out of his hand and firing it off at the first passing cormorant.
All right. I'll make my case for approval voting in the meantime.
>good Same minimal barrier to entry as simple plurality voting, but with the opportunity to express wider preferences if so desired. Contrariwise, doesn't put an onus on voters to pass specific judgment on every single entry including those they might just not be interested in. Therefore, (hopefully) promotes both voter turnout and the expressive value of individual votes. >bad Less nuanced than ranked voting. Likely not very different from simple plurality voting in terms of outcomes. Still basically a tawdry popularity contest.
>>16675 I'm not really a fan of most of those ideas. Of the alternatives, I'd prefer a character. And even if it is just character-focused, I'd suggest broadening it out a little bit into categories (eg oni, servants, magicians) so that there's something for every prospective writer.
I'd mostly want to read (and maybe write!) an interesting story first rather than having something be in service to a fetish. Well, maybe that's a little unfair as the proposed thematic ideas seem vague enough as to allow for creative interpretation. But it's mostly how I feel about porn in general. The more mechanical side of things is quickly boring, especially in text form.
With that said, I'd also suggest ignoring some of the loudest voices or calls for too much democracy here. THP doesn't know what it wants most of the time and most people will always turn to this or that excuse not to participate or to disengage at a hat's drop. Just look no further than nanowrimo. Or, indeed, some of the replies here. It's probably best to see how many people (writers) are interested in participating in general first and moving on from there.
Oh and maybe this being a "contest" isn't necessary? Could just be a showcase, festival, exhibition, or something along those lines? People get stupid and petty about voting or their own fetishes.
Geez, had I known the voting system of all things would cause such controversy, I would’ve concretised it from the start. I meant all along to have a two-tier grading vote: you pick two entries; your first place gets 2 points; your second place gets 1 point. It’s already complicated enough for my disenfolded brain. And all of this is presupposing we even get numerous enough entries to worry about grading.
We’ve still got to decide the theme, people. And on this note.
>>16720 >Well, maybe that's a little unfair as the proposed thematic ideas seem vague enough as to allow for creative interpretation. That was my thought, more or less. With enough creative wiggle, you can interpret anyone in Gensokyo as the older party. Heck, Reimu and Marisa are already Christmas cakes. Canon pornification? Years of material to pick from. You could lewd the Fortune Teller, even, if you’d like! And it could really be anything, the strike zone’s that wide. Uncommon stimulation? Good lord, do feet if you can’t fathom anything else. They’re good themes. I like them all. Can’t say they feel constraining at all, at least to me. >Oh and maybe this being a "contest" isn't necessary? I’ll be the first to admit competition does nothing for me, but I imagine it does for others. Not to mention the allure of (near) guaranteed, somewhat critical feedback the format usually invites.
I’ll still host the thing if I have to pick the theme myself and am the only entrant. But then I will make you hiney hobbits go through all the motions with me regardless.
>>16721 >controversy As the one who technically kicked off the mess, I didn't really intend to start a debate; I merely think we ought to experiment, as doing (in essence) the same thing for years with little variation and expecting different results, etc.
>decide the theme I think the impasse is that some people don't even want a theme for their own reasons. If we can't even agree on that, then I don't think there's much to be done other than doing the Benevolent Dictator™ thing and making our decision for us.
I've already expressed support for one option, and offered a fairly broad alternative in turn, so I'm not sure what else to say on the matter.
>competition Does absolutely nothing for me; I've been proposing replacing 'contests' with exhibitions for a while.
>go through all the motions with me regardless Please. Even when I'm willing, there's little hope of output.
I'm still fond of the reader-submitted ideas angle, but if it has to be from the top down then Age Difference strikes me as least worst; though only because it seems like the easiest one to tick off by pure technicality and otherwise totally ignore. I think something like what >>16677 proposed would be better, addressing a story theme instead of a fetish directly so that there isn't the saminess or the instant barrier of "not my thing".
Another idea for a theme got thrown around at matrix dot tee eich pee dot raisins: since this prospective contest is solely NSFW, why not make it all about that? As in, doing unsafe activities at workplaces (or places that approach the purpose of a workplace, since there's not many of those in Gensokyo). Call it "Professional Unprofessionalism," "Unprofessional Professionalism," "Workplace Shenanigans" or simply "Not Safe /at/ Work" – the matter is showing your supposedly hard-working 2hu of your choice being hard at work on something that doesn't figure on their original contracts, whether by demand of their superiors or of their own pent-up volition, or maybe just because breaking the workplace taboo and/or the risk of getting caught by a(nother) coworker is their preferred spice for their biological needs.
>>16727 I believe what >>16726 is saying is that he'd rather have a general guideline that says "the story is about something like this" rather than specific situations that have to be adhered to for the sake of a fetish or whatever; i.e., >>16677’s "ways rendezvouses can go wrong, etc." proposal was a pretty broad one that could cover a lot of things without being prescriptive about the actual content.
Here, let's do something for the sake of expediency:
If you write or are interested in writing, how do you feel about the idea of an event/contest/exhibition/whatever dedicated to erotic fiction held in January 2023? [ ] Interested, would definitely participate [ ] Interested, don't know if participation would be possible/desirable [ ] Interested, probably/definitely can't participate (because timeframe is wrong, subject isn't interesting, etc.) (please provide some feedback here, if you can) [ ] Not interested
Please answer so there's actually some idea how many writers might be willing/able to participate. Low turnout would make the whole thing pointless. If you feel there is some strong contingency about your participation, then name it so we know.
Btw, don't assume anything about themes, format, or whatever in your answer. This is just about the basic idea, nothing up for debate or discussion.
On further consideration, I'm stepping back from trying to help with this thing. I don't have any personal interest, and what interest there is seems too scattered and mild to make for an effective decision-making process.
So, dunno, maybe >>16675 can make an arbitrary decision and get back to us if he still really wants it to happen.
>>16721 >I’ll still host the thing if I have to pick the theme myself and am the only entrant. But then I will make you hiney hobbits go through all the motions with me regardless. I'm going to hold you to that and that's why I'm going to change the topic for a moment.
>>16625 Let's do this. Here's asking for a count of noses for the THP book club. The finer details can be found here >>16758 on Fluffy's wobpage, but the gist of it is we'll read through some of the (completed) stories on the site, one bit at a time and week over week (or biweekly or whatever the preference might hash out to be), and share our thoughts and impressions of them as we go along together.
Feel free to begin throwing out some story suggestions as well, but let's see if we can't get, say, five bare noses first. Stick 'em out right proudly, if you're in.
>>16759 As it looks like we've got five yes-es and one maybe, we've hit the minimum threshold. That means we should talk what story to start with.
I should note, since you've touched on this, that I've since reconsidered (see: >>16762) the completeness criterion; after having a look at the storylist, it just doesn't seem all that reasonable for the selection available.
Thus, there's only two (mostly) firm criteria:
One, that the chosen story not be one of the more famous examples of THP writing bandied about in discussion or promotion.
Two, that it not be of considerable length threadwise — the firm limit is ten threads, though that might be waiveable in select cases.
Two-and-a-half, that it be more than a handful of updates, preferably more than two threads worth; this is mostly a non-concern, but it wouldn't be too fun to cover something that didn't carry on for very long, or simply didn't get off the ground.
I'll be having a look myself for potential candidates and try to name them within the next week or so. How about we call a two or three week deadline for a consensus? Sound good?
Whew, criteria 1 and 2.5 taken together are a bit of a doozy. Maybe we can relax them as time goes on, or alternate between longer, more well-known stories (the two tend to correlate anyhow) and shorter wildcards that might be interesting, if ultimately inchoate, as a way of splitting the difference.
Still, that's getting ahead of things a little bit, and so for this first round I think I've got a good candidate—a fair bit of length, charming subject matter, and not from one of the go-to authors (whom we all still surely love; but it is a little dreadful to be read, and actively at that, whilst you're still in the room (as it were)).
I really don't feel like either of the presented choices. Not interested stuff that's mainly porn, especially not that kind and, well, I have something of an admitted personal reason why I don't want to engage with anything by the author of Maktaba. Sorry, I didn't think I would be too picky but I'd sit this round out if either won.
I think it's probably best to start with something short for the first time around. So, in order to nominate something, I'll suggest something that I haven't read before and is complete: [x] Girl of Death
>>16768 To be a bit overly blunt, I have a deeply personal dislike of the writer of that story, and I don't believe I could in good faith read his shit without being a bit ill-tempered over it.
>>16769 I'm tired of shitposts. We have enough of those in more recent days. Besides, how did you get the notion that an /at/ story would be a good idea? I'm sorry, but no. Categorically vetoed.
>>16770 I have negative interest in PC-98s. I know it's not that big a deal for some, but I dislike their usage pretty much by default for a number of reasons. I could go along if it got the support, but I'd rather exhaust other options first.
Speaking of other options, countering other offers, I've done a little storylist crawling as promised and... not dredged up much. For want of time and energy to do further digging, I'll suggest two stories that I have admittedly read before, albeit one of them not in too much depth.
The first is Scarlet Tycoon. Yes, it has been mentioned once or twice in conversation in the past, but I wouldn't say it's necessarily in the realm of "overhyped" like the hugest examples of THP writing. It's short, a little meandering, and ends very abruptly, but there's enough going on to dig a few things out, I think.
The second is All roads lead.... It didn't get too far but is still of okay length, and it's neither too shitposty nor too serious.
I apologise if all of this comes off a bit obstructive.
>>16772 >I hadn't expected a landmine like that. Eh, no particular need to worry overmuch over a bunch of old ghosts and their old grievances. I only mention it for the sake of transparency and frankness.
>date to open How about we go for a generous allowance of two weeks? I would imagine if no one's said anything else in that time, nothing further is likely forthcoming. That would put our formal vote at 28 January. Let's say UTC for consistency's sake.
>date to close Give it a week, let's say? That would be 4 February, again sometime UTC.
A word on voting. Whatever the size of our pool, I propose we conduct a ranked choice vote. Top three or something like that. That way, we can have a couple of next-in-lines if we do continue after this experiment. Plus, strict consensus voting tends to incentivise strategic dogpiling, which I feel can overly polarise things, and I'd rather we shed as few as possible over a lost vote.
Perhaps a bit of a fidgety position to hold, but I would like if we could retain all interested participants if at all feasible.
>>16775 Sure, I also share that position. There's not really anything on /at/ that I would say has "literary merit" enough to warrant examination. But, well, I think the only thing to be done for it is to keep throwing out suggestions that do appeal. I highly doubt anything from /at/ would win even a simple majority, anyway.
Also, I will just note for fairness' sake that Corruption Quest isn't actually porn, despite the title and being on /at/. Of course, it's essentially a shitpost from start to finish, so I'm not disposed to feeling very warmly towards it either.
Throwing on a trip once more for the sake of order.
I take it no one has any objections to anything proposed in >>16774 ? We're not too long off from the date of a vote, so I'd like to be sure we can all agree on proceedings. To be clear: I'm proposing we begin a vote on 28 January, to be concluded 4 February. We will disregard the candidates that have been outright vetoed, and any that remain will be subject to a ranked-choice vote. If this is in any way disagreeable, speak now.
Until the start of voting, there is still opportunity to name stories, so please speak now or forever hold your peace.
>>16721 Anything, SmutOP? Not many days left in the month.
Book Club Thread Vote!TXEIHHnP/A2023/01/28 (Sat) 21:05No. 16793▼
Alright, as nothing further seems forthcoming, let's go ahead and do this vote.
First off, Marisa's Magically Magnificent Maktaba and Corruption Quest were outright vetoed, so those will not be up to vote.
Secondly, we will, as mentioned prior, be conducting this as a ranked-choice vote. That means that the vote will follow the following format:
 First choice  Second choice  Third choice
In other words, you're indicating that, if you had your preference,  is the one you'd pick first,  is the next, and  the next after that. The one with the most rank  votes will be the winner, and this will also provide an idea of what stories to possibly follow up with if we do continue with this venture.
N.B. You can simply indicate your first choice among the candidates.
Those preliminaries out of the way, these are the candidates:
* Scarlet Tycoon * All roads lead... * Girl of Death
>>16793 >The one with the most rank  votes will be the winner Doesn't that make it mechanically identical to single-choice voting; just with a bit of extra non-decisional polling? Usually ranked choice is conducted with instant runoff; so the candidate with the fewest first-place votes is bumped off, and those votes which had that candidate in first place then have their second-place votes counted in; et cetera...
My vote regardless goes:  Scarlet Tycoon  Girl of Death  All roads lead...
I took a look at scarlet tycoon a while back, and I don't think I liked what I saw given I never got very far. As for between All Roads Lead and Girl of Death, it's hard to vote for something that has no tags or synopsis, and start entrenched firmly in media res. It is however a good reminder of how important tagging is I think, if it's one of the ones recommended regardless.
And my votes will be:  All roads lead...  Girl of Death  Scarlet Tycoon
>>16798 >no tags or synopsis I don't have enough time to dedicate to skimming stories that are more than a couple of threads long in order to write synopses or suss out tags, especially ones I don't give much of a toss about. Until people who do actually care about some of those untagged stories step up to fix that, you get what you get.
>>16793 (1) Scarlet Tycoon (2) Girl of Death (3) All roads lead... Better late than never.
Book Club Thread Vote Over!TXEIHHnP/A2023/02/04 (Sat) 21:43No. 16803▼
All right, that's the vote.
With a general majority of four votes out of eight for , the winner is All roads lead....
Considering the general non-point in having a ranked choice vote, I'll just say as a side note that Girl of Death seemed like the overwhelming second choice, but I guess we'd have to see in another vote.
In the meantime, we've got our winner, so I guess next is setting down procedure. Does anyone have any strong opinions as to how to divide up 'chapters' and how long to give for people to read? The posts for All roads lead... are of reasonably consistent size, so we could simply go post-by-post if that's what people want. In that case, though, since they're not particularly long, I don't think we'd need longer than a week at longest. Probably more like five days or so.
I dunno, though, I'd love to hear other thoughts before we dive in.
>>16803 I think it'd be best to stick to weekly intervals, just because it'd give everyone a chance to find some time in the face of external obligations and whatnot.
That being the case, I count 24 posts and I think it might drag on a little taking two whole seasons to get through an unfinished story. And, let's be honest; once someone has found the time to sit down and read a post, they can probably fit in at least one or two more in the same sitting.
My initial suggestion would be something like 2–6 posts biweekly, but let's see what sorts of timescales other people have got in mind first.
>>16804 Seems like we've got mostly eager Ayayas who respond to these things the same day or right afterwards, and lazy Hatatoes who only slip in when deadlines are approaching—or in shikigami parlance, a bimodal distribution. I'd even be willing to bet that some of us two-time alternate between the two. That being the case, there's probably no need to deliberate another week about it.
A starting date on a Monday also seems all right to me, since people usually have more opportunities throughout the week to read a story than to collect their thoughts about it in writing, so having the whole weekend there at the end of the period makes sense.
All that is to say, yeah, Feburary 6th, sure. Works for me.
>>16803 Having skimmed over the thread to get an idea of the post length I agree with >>16805 that we should read multiple posts a week, though my estimate is a bit more conservative, maybe 3-4? It'll take slightly longer if we go for smaller numbers of posts, but it'll also be a lot harder to run out of time and fall behind. I'm also fine starting today. >>16805 >Ywn tengu binodes
For those who aren't on the sundry usernamed side channels linked at the bottom of the page, the smut contest proposed upthread hasn't been forgotten about, but advenient real-life circumstances have forced a delay upon it.
Also, for anyone who's fallen behind with the Book Club thread, here's a post that might be relevant to you: >>16845.
Book Club Round Two?!TXEIHHnP/A2023/03/14 (Tue) 22:13No. 16905▼
Hey, folks, we're getting about to the end of the first outing of the Book Club. As far as I can tell, we had slightly over six or seven people who were interested initially, which fell to three or four regular participants with time. I suppose if we can keep at least a small handful of regulars, that's some kind of victory.
Going by at least one... comment (putting it generously), there may have been people dissatisfied for whatever reason. Choice of story may have had a lot to do with it, but I don't think that could (or can) really be helped; we only had three viable candidates going into a vote. Still, if there's anything else in particular that could be done differently, maybe we could discuss it? Either way, I guess this should be considered an open comment period on whether or not we keep going. What do you want to do? What do you want to see? Pitch in.
>>16905 I think we should keep going and I'm fine with the current format. Maybe we should take a week off to digest things and let people look for new story suggestions? Other than that I don't have too much to say at the moment; but I'll be around for whatever comes next.
>>16937 Soft NACK on my part. Right now, it's basically Scarlet Tycoon and Girl of Death, with (I guess) the addition of Not-Life now. Maybe we could go on with that, but it kind of seems like the choices available put off some people last time. I haven't had time or energy to come up with additional suggestions, so I feel kind of bad about not having much to add to the process. If others want to go ahead as-is, then I guess I'd come along, however.
>>16938 Hmm. Well, I won't push for it, since I'm kind of slammed with work at the moment, but I'm not giving up on it either. We've got the contest going on right now, anyhow, so maybe I'll refloat it once we wrap that up.
Contest or ExhibitionAnonymous2023/04/16 (Sun) 23:18No. 16987▼
This is kind of a repeat topic in some ways, but it came up again in the outer communities.
For whatever event we hold next, there is always the possibility that we could abandon the pretext of 'competition' and just have an exhibition, whether a general one or based on some sort of thematic element. Given the lack of stakes (e.g., meaningful prizes) for contests beyond 'bragging rights', there's little difference beyond a somewhat formalised voting process. Were we to transition to an exhibition, we would essentially just be doing away with voting as a procedural element.
Some out-of-band communication has involved some dissatisfaction with what could be perceived as a lack of serious scrutiny involved in judging contests, leading to contests being, at best, popularity contests. Leaving the veneer of 'competition' out of things would alleviate any perceived need to tailor an entry to any particular sensibilities to 'win'. By the same token, the objection has been raised that even the thinnest pretext of 'competition' might be necessary to motivate some entrants. There is also the fear that removing the voting process will lead to a dearth of feedback desired by those submitting entries.
There's probably much more to be said, but I'll leave that to the rest of you to discuss. Considering there's nothing yet in mind for another event, competition or otherwise, there's not much pressure to make a decision right this minute, but it would behoove those interested to make it at some point.