In the interests of keeping the recs thread clean and limited to recommendations, let's bring all other discussion of stories here. Want to have a protracted argument about why writer x is a faget who should die in a freak kitchen accident? Fire your shots here. Want to complain about story y not having enough (or too much, if you're a sissy) grimdark tentacle death blood rape? By all means, make your voice heard here. Just keep it germane to THP stories and we're all good.
I'm not OP, but we could sorta use a thread dedicated just to discussing stories. /blue/ is for random shit that doesn't fit anywhere else, /gensokyo/ is for discussion about Touhou games, music, stories and/or site issues.
In other words, /blue/ is THP's own personal /b/, but with less faggotry.
>Want to have a protracted argument about why writer x is a faget who should die in a freak kitchen accident? Fire your shots here.
This sort of stuff should go to the rage thread though. This thread should be reserved for genuine discussion about stories rather than childish bitching.
>Just keep it germane to THP stories and we're all good
I don't see any particular reason for this though.
I don't follow too many stories, but FoSL is one of the better ones I've read recently. If only the update schedule wasn't so irregular. I think that complaint could be made about a lot of stories on THP, though.
Time to start my own story to prove what a hypocrite I am!
>>13131 >Histories of Gluttony and Labor >>>/underground/12675 HoGaL is a currently-updating story over in /underground/ which has a Dwarf (of the Dwarf Fortress variety) show up in the underground. It's pretty fun and I haven't seen it discussed that much outside its thread. It isn't very long so far, though, and it's raring up to go full PLOT. We'll see if I say the same thing in ten updates or so, which should probably be in a month or something given THP's update ratio.
The first updates are pretty sice-of-life, but due to PLOT it's going to have a bit less of that in the future. That may be good or bad, depending on your preference.
I've just cracked open Curses Foiled (Again) recently. The premise is kind of neat, even though I'm not a real fan of pessimistic interpretations of Gensokyo. But, hey, it's interesting enough that I'm going to overlook that and keep at it.
>>13137 The question is in essence about morality. I can give you my answer, but the likelihood that someone else has a different answer is high. Though, I think it’s because of the relation to the “victim”. Your sister is someone you’ve (likely) been with for the majority of your life and is (likely) blood related to you. She’s family. Your lover on the other hand is someone “replaceable”. “Friends and lovers come and go your entire life, but you only get one family” or so the saying goes where I’m from. I think it’s basically because you can get a new lover, and showing enough fondness to raise her from the dead is just considered pure madness. Shadow of the Colossus was a great game though. Irrelevant? Somewhat. Whereas you only “get” one irreplaceable sister, raising her from the dead, while still madness, is understandable madness.
Take Animating Gensokyo for example. The MC’s sister has been there for him his entire life, even after she died (literally). A lover wouldn’t be able to have accomplished that to the same degree.
Though, that brings a question to mind. If the lover happens to be a childhood friend whom you’ve considered a sister for your whole life, where would that put her on the scale of madness and understandable madness?
>>13163 When ZUN established that in Double Spoiler, fanon was already engrained too deep for him to change it. Same goes for Nitori being a racist moneygrubber prick in Hopeless Masquerade, and Kisume being a blood-thirsty decapitator in the side material.
>>13164 Funny, because before I began to make out their personalities, I looked around the canon to find out as much as possible (mostly because the fandom seemed to overwhelming at first (still is in many regards)). Canon material already mentioned that Nitori "deep down thought that she was superior to other species." And looking at Kisume's design and origin, without the colored waifu glasses, it was pretty obvious. I mean, the youkai she's based of killed humans, took their head and put it in a bucket, which they then used to scare other humans as they prey on them.
Then again, when I was introduced to touhou, all these materials already existed, which wasn't the case for the fans who initiated this.
>>13163 I haven't read too many stories that feature both of them, but I can't say I've ever seen anyone make Aya and Momiji like BFFs or anything. Most of the time, it seems like they both sort of just put up with each other.
Hey regarding knight stories, are there any other knight stories than the two here? I only know of the knight story with the Hospitaller finding himself in Gensokyo and the one with the Knight Templar escaping imprisonment and death in France. Is there anything else?
First-time poster here, I come from /tg/. I've just read "A Wizard Is You" quest, which Demetrious apparently abandoned, and now I thirst for more like that. So, which quests/stories are the best on here? Also, is there something with Suika as a main character?
>>13256 Well, there are the occasional amusing things there, but I do agree that the other boards could use more new blood. Especially, /shrine/.
Speaking of which, I'm loving If You Spook The Buddha more than anything else there at the moment. Something about Kogasa as a main character makes for a good story. If only the author would update his /at/ story faster.
>>13271 more the yurifags I say, and male in female heavy(thus 'sacred yuri') results in some of the most epic butthurt imaginable. I recall one writefag for MGNQ getting ripped into because his bit had a guy dating Mami.
SWQ may not be fine art, but it's far better than what crap we get in the animation (Yuri fodder and magical girl tropes running wild)
>>13554 Whoops, walked off for days without meaning to.
I'd count the action as the resolution, so, yeah, I saw it coming. I was referring more to Orange reviving Sanae afterwards and the general implications that the whole story was the result of a bet. Granted, I'll say that there was writing on the wall in places, but it wasn't enough to puzzle all that out.
Also, as much as I resented the fact that Sanae death was the only way out, it was necessary. If things had been resolved without it, I think I'd have been even more angry. Especially in light of the bad end. Taking away that would have negated a fair amount of the denouement's impact.
I found (some of) anon's bloodlust leading up to the whole affair to be equal parts funny and pathetic, though.
Am I the only one that thinks Gensokyo as a buildup of historical and technological sediment? I find it easy to imagine human culture is probably stuck in the Meiji era while, at the same time, they have like post-WWII-era style buildings with rusted metal signs and glass windows.
>>13599 Haven't heard anything about anything WW2-related in Gensokyo, though according to Oriental Sacred Place there is a radio tower in the Forest of Magic converted into a fairy shrine, most likely gapped in similarly to the SDM and the Primsriver Mansion. So it's entirely possible some war relics could find their way into Gensokyo too, and who knows, maybe sunken tsukumogami shipgirls too?
>>13601 I never said anything about war relics -- though that's arguably possible. I'm just saying that I can envision the human village looking sort of like the outside did during the Allied occupation, minus the devastation.
Some people (even Japanese fans) seem to have this idea of human society in Gensokyo never progressing past a caricatured version of the early Meiji era, but I personally think that, despite their inclination towards the supernatural, Gensokyans are more likely to have absorbed outside influences much like the outside did, never fully adopting but instead adapting.
>>13602 Oh, I misunderstood you then. I think Gensokyo would head along a different path than the rest of the world, due to being isolated and all that. Of course, some of the Outsider tech found occasionally would influence their culture, but since they didn't experience the same successes of the world (case in point, both World Wars), Gensokyo society and cultre will most likely develop in a radically different way... or just remain stuck in the same old ways.
>>13601 LSL had a few of those, and a tank girl too.
>>13602 I think most would be slow to accept outsider tech as it'd undo Gensokyo's stability. It was Science that did a nasty number on youkai. Also in PoDD, I believe Rikako is called a Heretic by Reimu for her belief in science.
That being said, there'd be pockets which embrace such tech completely. That and Gensokyo's culture wouldn't remain purely Meiji era as while most villages wouldn't the technological marvels, there would be traces of other cultures around.
>>13613 Given its history as a place full of outcasts, I doubt distinctions of former feudal standing (or lack thereof) would hold as much weight as whether or not one is human.
As for period-specific beliefs and attitudes, the Meiji era was one of "progress above all else". The whole industrialisation thing obviously wouldn't transfer over to Gensokyo, but the whole sense of new and exciting things waiting around the corner would. That said, it would differ in that, while the outside gleefully cast away the past, Gensokyo would hold on to it while incorporating new things as they make sense of them.
So what do people around here think of Forest Mix on well /forest/? The MC can be a little hard to understand at first, but she's pretty endearing and I like that Rinnosuke features prominently (in a positive way). The second is VERY rare.
As someone else who's read Forest Mix, I can soundly second its recommendation. Christie is one of the weirder characters we've had for a protagonist but I get a kick out of her oddball way of thinking, and Rinnosuke is a pretty chill dude himself. The story's mostly about them, with the occasional arrival of a different touhou to mix things up.
I admit I bounced off it a few times in a row when I first tried reading it, though,but then I just jumped to the second thread and right into the Christie/Rinnosuke interplay, and it was really good. So if you have difficulty getting into it, I recommend skipping to the next thread in line, finishing that one, then jumping back to the first.
This was only the case for me, of course, so take my opinion with a cup of salt.
>>13736 That's because when you get to an update with no choice it's the equivalent of when you're watching a TV show and the screen fades to black and it goes EXECUTIVE PRODUCER DICK WOLF and then the credits roll, end of episode. It wouldn't make as much sense to put voting choices at that point.
(And so of course the update after that is like the beginning of the next episode, and that one does get a choice.)
>>13776 It used to be excellent, but a bad update in a critical juncture broke the sensitive writefag. Now it's THP good (which means excellent for any other ff site) and has a superb update speed (which means very good for any other site)
If you found any of that confusing, then good job, me.
>>13787 GH had not faulty updates (there was one controversial one, where anon was so mad at choosing the obviously stupid choice, that it had to roll back but that was it) In fact, it stopped on a very HYPE moment so a ton of people were sad to see it go.
>>14246 A loudmouthed, radioactive fairy. I should have guessed she would be from the underground but somehow didn't. And I have to say that the portrayal of Cirno is actually palatable compared to a lot of stories. There's only one other story to wit that has fairies as salt-of-the-earth types, and it tickles me to see it again.
So yeah, I forgot the name of that short-then-not story with the guy that wanted to kill himself, then didn't, then the reason of his attempted suicide showed up in his mind and tried to off him but then she didn't and Rumia was a pal, like Forest mix and then he shagged Awoo (like in, hopefully, an excuse for a woo) and then he tag with Flandre, like SDM LA and then he got praised because Rumia was doing good but then got wrecked because Rumia was doing good and then HIATUS
Sooo. How many anons would still like me to finish up Restorer in Gensokyo? Despite me only kind of vaguely remembering where I was going with it.
I have a... unexpected excess of freetime due to some changes in life. So I may as well take advantage of them. Since, worst case scenario, in the potential future, I might be unable to ever complete the story, so...
>>14508 Given RiG is highly slice-of-life-ish, not sure how much of a 'proper' ending it might have. But I do agree it needs a more satisfying... road to a ending, then just hanging before we even get a waifu. (Or waifuS?!)
>>14509 Nah. Not that dire. Just at, worst case, I might end up not having a place to live and that'd kind of prevent the ability to write more. I guess in theory, if I had some wifi to leech for my phone, and a place to charge but... I somehow think writing updates on a phone would be a terrible, terrible idea.
>>14614 >ironically autistic Sounds about par for the course for /th/. And it's still autistic, even if you're being ironic.
Jokes aside, this isn't the "old era" of THP. People aren't going to bumrush your thread because they think you're "unworthy" if it's shit. They're just going to move on after a couple of shitposts. So don't sit around waiting to get permission from any of us; post away.
Just try not to die after two posts. That sinks peoples' involvement in everything thereafter and only worsens the lethargy that perpetually grips this site.
>>14622 This might be better-suited for the recommendation thread, but give me some excellent stories that aren't getting votes. I'm trying to follow some more stories instead of updating mine and then pretending the site doesn't exist for a week.
This is a very interesting post. Your thoughts on what constitutes a good/bad story seems very much at odds with the vast majority of other /thp/ goes. Would you care to further elaborate on the topic?
Nobody wants to invest their time and energy into a story when they get a turnout like that, you realize. The votes got worse far before the story slowed down. When you get a turnout of one or two people, that's far from good motivation.
Well, my best guess is that the story's niche audience is too narrow to hold a consistent reader base. (you) might think the story is the best thing since sliced bread, but I doubt many other people would agree. Telling a touhou story from the perspective of a PC98 character is going to turn off a lot of new, potential readers who happen to see the story at a glance, and haven't been following since the beginning.
>>14630 And also agreed. The classic THP conundrum.
>>14631 Are PC98 characters that much of a turnoff? If some newfag doesn't know anything about them, then what would the difference be between a PC98 character and an OC as a narrator? They would both be unknowns. And stories with OC narrators, whether self-inserts or established characters of their own, seem pretty popular to me at least (SPACE MARINE, Awoo, Forest Mix).
Though I do agree that getting into a story when it already has quite a few threads can be a little daunting if you're just looking to do some drive-by voting.
Well, unless you have a different hypothesis, or avenue of discussion to explain the dearth of votes, I'd say yes: PC98 characters are that much of a turn-off. I also submit the aforementioned hypothesis holds doubly true when combined with your second point of how difficult it is to get into long running quests.
>>14630 >Nobody wants to invest their time and energy into a story when they get a turnout like that, you realize. As a writer of stories that have never been super fast, this. Nothing's more discouraging than a halfhearted turnout. I would rather people have an opinion on a meaningless choice than go "idk whatever dude".
>>14632 Granted, PC-98 characters are both established characters that have a few certain traits. (at least as much, if not more, characterization than some windows characters/midbosses before the printed work and secondary sources are counted). However, there is typically much less in fanon characterization than for the newer stuff. OCs in general are just blank slates. PC-98 tends to be in this quasi-state of many not knowing enough to identify and knowing too much to project.
NST is currently at 2 continues/ask the author anything points, and nearly at 3, so they would have the leeway to try something. He has allowed by decisions that ended up poorly to be rewound. (Though making poor decisions intentionally did result in a loss of privileges in the story first time around)
Overall, from what I've heard around, the main turnoff has generally been the difficulty. PC98 may not be as popular as sliced bread, but they're a loaf unto themselves, at least in certain audiences. Seriously, look at Mima fans. They wanted her so bad that they've more or less become a meme.
However, when my stories get hard, votes as well dwindle. But my stories are a tad tonally bipolar, so that can shift as quick as saying a particularly long word.
Heck, that Hina Moe story over in th has quite a good response to PC98, a lot of voters, and is balls to the wall hard of late. Maybe it's not the hardness...?
Seeing as I've a pretty popular story stuffed to the gills with PC98 and a gender swapped PC98 protag, and a story where the very same character that is the current PoV is a love interest, I have to wonder about that.
>>14640 >OCs in general are just blank slates. Not jumping on you specifically, but I really wish people would drop this line of thought. It's frustrating when people run away screaming from stories going "ew OCs" because they automatically assume they're either going to be blank slates or Donut Steels. I try my damnedest to do the opposite and have clearly defined characters who actually fit in the setting, but I know a percentage of people still won't give my stories a chance because of that bias, and I think it's dumb.
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>>14648 Oh yeah! Thanks, let me add that to the list:
LOST LIST (memo: Kill yourself when list reaches 10)
Palingenesia Supersticious and Cowardly Lot Fallout Gensokyo Ancient Gensoyko Animating Gensokyo Gensokyo High (Feat. Snoop Dog) Gensokyoland Saga That fucking Kahi story that was terrible but I couldn't stop reading it Border House
So anons, I do have another CYOA in mind, but something I've been wanting to clear up before I get it goin', is... do people really care for any level of 'gameplay mechanics', as it were?
I mean, I'm not going to start busting out d20 rolls and stat checks or something, but my next CYOA idea kind of has the idea of running a teahouse or such... so the idea of having money, getting employees, managing how the place looks...
That sort of thing. Also check /blue/ for RiG info, of sorts.
>>13708 Actually, the Meiji era was something of a period of reactionary formation of a national identity by the warrior castes, who decided that they needed to go back* to having the emperor in control, as opposed to a shogun. Though it kind of seems like they went gaga for foreign things at the time, overall Japan was more wary of external powers than ever; they felt like they were on the verge of becoming a tributary state to the European nations and wanted to build up their image as modern so they wouldn't be seen as a weak and 'backwards' nation. Humanity in Gensokyo would probably fall into a similar mindset of being curious about new outside influences while being highly suspicious of them. Everything in the print material suggests that humans in the setting have a strong collective identity, and while I doubt that they have a strong consciousness of the greater nation-state of Japan, they probably do band together under a sort of cultural brand.
Part of me thinks that the overall aesthetic of the village would be at least partly re-built Edo period styled buildings and partly Gensokyoan imitations of outside buildings (probably very cheap looking compared to what we're used to). I've seen some old run-down shopping arcades in Japan that would probably fit right into Gensokyo.
(*) The emperor was always the nominal head of everything, but the military powers always overshadowed him in practice.
>>15155 >re-built Edo period styled buildings I should probably clarify that when I say re-built, I mean that the buildings would be reconstructions of buildings of that period, not buildings of the age that have been repaired.
Something that a lot of people don't seem to know is that Japanese buildings aren't built to be permanent structures. Much the opposite, they're built to be torn down every so often and rebuilt the same way. That's how so many historic shrines and temples in Japan have retained their forms from centuries ago. The same principle carries over to peoples' homes, for better or for worse.
By the way, most castles in Japan are concrete recreations of the old castles since most of them were either destroyed long ago or burned up in WW2. That's why they're not all that interesting or worth seeing beyond an outside photo-op.
I'm trying to figure out who all the OCs in Fallout Gensoukyou are.
Frisca I mistook for a regular mook at first. I had a bit of a holy shit moment when she mentioned the vampire incident because I actually remember her, name and all, despite it being ages since I last read SDMLA.
Kazuki and Clover hit me like a pie to the face. I love Fairy on Scarlet Lake. The drunk driving thing had me in stitches.
Wendy no-I-will-not-call-you-by-your-lame-name-you-lame-dame I was expecting because someone mentioned her cameo in AFT.
Sera's magic and the dice-roll line from Wendy make me think she must be from Patchy Quest, but I've only read part of that clusterfuck and I don't recall Patchouli being terribly impressed by any of the fairies.
I got the references to SCIENCE! and whatever story Cu was in (don't remember, been too long) but only after someone explained them.
Tabitha, Yue, K.C. and Sousha I have no idea about. If there were others then I obviously don't remember where they're from either.
On a related note, are there any other stories with plot-relevant fairies? Reading this thing has put me in a fey mood. I feel a mysterious construction coming on...
>>15448 The story about the god without a church is surprisingly deep; the gal living with Rinno realized he's an unintentional thot destroyer; our hard boiled detective is still 'trapped' in the SDM and Marisa is about to outbully the bully cloud.
I'm pretty excited that there's something active in /youkai/. Unrelenting Faith is pretty chill and makes me wish there were more active stories I could vote in once in a while and otherwise sit back and enjoy.
I'm liking Exile a lot so far. Kurumi's perspective as 'the exile' is written in a distinct but enjoyable way, and the simple art is pleasant, well fitting the CYOA format. Shame I and two other guys are the only ones participating/voting in it, despite it being one of the brave nanowrimo lot and super unique to boot.
So, if Exile looks interesting to you, give it a go at least.
I might properly review it when it is far enough along. The short update length and earliness in whatever plot there is makes it pointless to say anything but 'its pretty interesting' for now.
I hate Megabucks because I'm a bit of a moralfag, but "Make a fist" turned into one of my favorite stories. I blame Yuugi and Koishi.
Rural Discord (not the actual name, nor a chat app) is surprisingly entertaining for such a boring concept Youkai Moe helps, again.
Hakuro (formerly "unnamed thread by HELP") is my actual favorite story on this site at the moment. I really like gods as MCs (if my first paragraph didn't clue you in) I can't wait to see it continue.
Awoo maid (a.k.a. From the Scarlet Moon Flows the Spring) is really good but our choices kind of hurt its momentum. There's an interesting debate here of player agency vs narrative focus but I'll leave that to people who can write a paragraph without typos.
Anyway, the premise is relatively new, the characters are very likable and the mystery is interesting. Very recommended.
Wait, I just realized this is not the recommendation thread. Oh well.
>>15650 Dude, mad props to you for giving a shit about the stories out there. Who cares if this isn't the recommendation thread man - it's always cool to get some discussion around here because god knows we need more of that on THP.
And on that note, I push all you other anons to talk about the latest story that you're reading (or have read). I'll start first with a story not yet mentioned here: A Lively Graveyard.
It's a story about a nonchalant zombie trying to get a party funeral set up and then hijinks ensue. I know it's an awful summary but bear with me here because it's a fun read and other people should go check it out. I like the protagonist in particular because their indifference to their own death makes for an interesting perspective. Before I go full middle-school book review on you guys, I'll leave it on that note and ask you, if you already haven't started reading it by now, to go read it.
The ones I'm really watching at this point are From the Scarlet Moon Flows the Spring and Rural Concord in Small Sense. The former is probably helped by having a (relatively) newer 2hu to inject some new blood (rimshot goes here) in an otherwise blase and overrepresented setting. The latter is a perspective that isn't very well represented in much of anything, and I always delight in getting a low-level view of Gensokyo.
Hakurou is decent too, but I consider it separate from the others on account of not being strictly original to this... competition? Event? Whatever you want to call it.
Honourable mention to The Train Home. I wasn't wild about the opening, but the setup is enough of a hook. Sadly, the pacing leaves some to be desired despite the short updates. I suppose I can't ask for much, though, as this whole NaNoWriMo thing comes across as rather improvisational on the whole.
Still, I'm surprised at the level of the stories we've got this time around. They're reasonably consistent and entertaining stories for the most part.
>>15651 Something about that story makes me suspicious. Like, I can't shake the feeling that it's a stealth crossover with something I'm not familiar with and the writer is laughing his ass off at those of us who are ignorant. Maybe that's not actually the case, but...
>>15791 Sometimes I wish I'd actually paid more attention to stuff outside of /at/ back then.
Also, neither here nor there, but it's a goddamn shame most of the stuff from that NaNoWriMo is dead or stalled now. I know that's not a new turn of events, but there were a few things actually worth reading there.
Keeping my fingers crossed for another one this year.
This round's crop of Nano-Reimu is a treat. I really like the beast yakuza story. Faerie sidekicks are always a surefire win, and I'll not hear otherwise. But, seriously, Lala is a rare faerie in a THP story that I don't want to punch after a couple of paragraphs. Dunno what it is. Not sure what to say about Kenji other than that he's definitely a bit of an asshole, which is, well, fitting for a yakuza. P.S. Needs more dragon-turtle and Byakuboob.
Also unsure what to say about the earth gods story. It really kind of makes me want more Hakuro. I suppose one can only pray for continued updates of that at this point.
Too bad the Akis story is struggling a fair bit and the train once again derailed. I don't really care all that much about PC-98s, but having more than two active Nanner stories was nice, I guess. Something something A.T.O.M.
Somebody convince me to read other active stories. All I'm reading currently is The Heart of the Fool, which is really, really good. Yeah, I could go to the story list and read the summaries, but that's more likely to run me off than sell me. Tell me what's good about them.
>>16498 The fox and the hunter is nice. The main character is interesting, (though how much of that is low standards I can't say,) the story hasn't really picked up yet, Junko is in it briefly, its nice.
>>16499 I'm pretty biased against a story when the writing isn't proofread very thoroughly. Not being mean about it, just can't make myself want to read when there's stuff like inconsistent tenses. What's it about? What's interesting about the MC? Maybe I can put that aside if I like what I hear.
>>16500 As for what its about, it hasn't really gotten far enough to be about more than the main character going about his business, as for why he's interesting... He's very much a social outcast in the village, and has an entertaining perspective to read besides I think. I can't really say more just because I don't pick up on these things, his internal dialogue is just entertaining to read.
>>16506 imo, you really should be able to know what the story is about from the start. It doesn't give everything (or much) away, but HotF starts you off by letting you know it's about a guy going underground looking for oni. Even if it's not clear why, it's clear enough what his general goal is.
>>16498 I'd suggest Ecology Research and Travels. I liked the first thread with the lectures as I thought it was a nice concept to present canon and add commentary on it and seeing the actual fieldwork that led to those lectures is interesting too. I think it's the first story with Ran I've seen in a while (or that I've liked) and I think that her interpretation is close to actual canon while also being fun.
>>16520 Read through the first couple of updates and can't come out saying a lot. It's not offensively bad or anything, just... a first-time story. It's fun for people newer to Touhou to sit there and survey everything, reaffirm or deny the canon, yadda-yadda. They have their (probably a westerner male) outsider protagonist gawk and gawp at everything and experience a whole new world because that's what mirrors their own. That's fine, but I think it's a little thin as far as those who aren't newcomers to Touhou go. Plus, it's got the mechanical roughness of someone newer to writing fiction.