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[-] Meet Sakuya's mistress.

You knew Sakuya would be back with her mistress, she'd promised as much. You also knew someone with the ability to stop time could show up quite literally out of nowhere. It would not be inaccurate to say you were dreading whatever it was she had in store for you, and yet when she showed up with several people in tow, you were focused enough on Satori that it still caught you off guard.

Which is all a longwinded way of saying, curse Sakuya's sudden yet inevitable arrival.

The moment the door cracks open, Satori pushes away from you, making a show of getting up and dusting herself off. For lack of a better idea, you do the same as you survey the people entering. You don't see the guard from earlier, but Sakuya ushers in a purple haired woman wearing what you're pretty sure are pink pajamas, and... a much younger vampire than you were expecting. With wings that could be best described as rainbow crystal windchimes, but that's surprisingly low on the weirdness scale these days.

You can see Satori tense up at the vampire's presence, but she gives the group a flat look and a nod. "Patchouli. I'm glad to see you've fully recovered from last time."

The purpled haired woman stares coldly back, and if her pale face and the bags under her eyes count as recovered, you'd hate to see what sick (injured?) was like. "Satori. I'd say I'm pleased to see you, but you're difficult to lie to."

As your captors take seats around a table in the center of the gazebo, Satori returns fire. "Not as difficult as usual. I take it I have you to thank for that?"

It's then that you place Patchouli's name, and you grimace as you remember the context. "Please tell me this isn't another grudge match with someone who broke into your house."

Sakuya looks amused, the vampire looks impatient, and Patchouli looks downright offended. "I take it she didn't mention her nuclear-powered pet preparing to lay waste to the surface?"

Satori doesn't give her a reaction. "You were amiable enough when I was investigating your near-murder. Granted, that may have been because you were comatose."

"It does make her a better conversationalist," Sakuya mused, earning a betrayed look from Patchouli.

"Enough!" The vampire slams her hands down on the table, driving them quite literally through the wooden surface, cracks spiderwebbing out through the point of impact. She scowls, and you feel a pulse of power through the magic sealing you as the table shatters, collapsing in-place to a pile of splinters. "You're wasting time!"

The vampire has the floor as she marches towards you through the remnant of the table. "Sakuya tells me you created the urban legends. Then fix this. Now!"

You swallow and step back, holding your hands in front of you appeasingly. A quick glance to the side reveals Satori is speechless, so you stammer out, "I, um... fix what? Your wings?"

In a split second, you know it was the wrong thing to say. Satori's eyes widen and the vampire looks absolutely furious. The maid blurs and you're knocked to the floor as she's now between you and the vampire. The vampire who is now holding a massive burning sword. "Flandre. He's not from Gensokyo. He doesn't know. And-"

"I know, I know, we need him. Don't worry, I won't kill him. I'm just going to... how would you put it?" She laughs maniacally as she brandishes the sword, tracing scorch marks on the walls and forcing Patchouli to duck. "Teach him some manners."

Sakuya remains unmoving. "He's human."

"So's Marisa. She lived."

"He's human without magic," Patchouli cut in. "And Eirin's remedies won't raise a corpse."

"And while I'm sure you could restrain yourself," Sakuya pauses and glances meaningfully backwards at you, "we can't afford any injuries if we're going to see Remilia."

As the murderously angry vampire grumbles and stabs her sword into the ground, you think frantically to yourself. You're sure Satori said Sakuya served a vampire named Remilia. Given this one's strength and the fact that Sakuya deferred to her, you were sure that was her... But the fact that she addressed this one as Flandre and talked about going to see Remilia means that you were mistaken. Which shouldn't be possible unless the time-stopping maid somehow has two vampire mistresses.

Satori steps in front of you and speaks up. "What is it that you want? I've gathered Remilia's urban legend went wrong, but we don't know the details."

Sakuya coughs meaningfully. "Patchouli?"

The mage sighs. "Remilia declared her intent to acquire an urban legend, ostensibly for more power. Shortly afterwards, she became more irritable, complaining of hunger, thirst, and bright light, among other things. Sakuya contacted Eirin to attempt treatment, but she was ineffective. After approximately one week Remilia attacked and attempted to drain Sakuya. The resulting brawl destroyed much of the mansion, and it was only with Flandre's help that we were able subdue her. Since then, Remilia has been uncontrollable. We believe the urban legend affecting her to have degraded her mental faculties, and that she is currently incapable of speech."

Oh. You don't... what can you even say to that? And perhaps more practically, what can you hope to do about it?

[-] Write-in.
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How was the Urban Legends issue resolved in canon? Because if it was by returning all the Occult Balls to the moon, I don't think we can do that. The alternative would be to kill the thing Remilia is using to bring about the urban legend. This could be a coffin, or her current body.
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I see. So it was Remilia that is being affected by the urban legend. Seeing the information presented so far, it is possible she might have just become a textbook Vampire but we might need more details.

Also, assuming our poker face is good enough, we might be able to negotiate/ lie for a more favorable situation considering how they think we know how to dispel it but we actually don't. We would need a plan of action first tho.

I'll consider negotiating but since we are in a precarious situation, I might double check what we know first lest we ended up with another Twei situation again.

I'll go for a delay tactic to gather more information until we can come up with a appropriate plan of action.

[X] Apologise about the wing comment? Compliment the sword?
- [X] Ask for more information about her conditions
- [X] Ask if they had any clue about how Remilia made her Urban Legend or what Legend she choose
- [X] Act like how a doctor would be asking his patient about his symptoms with the best poker face you can manage. Well, as best as you can with a trigger happy time-stopper, a hostile and fed-up mage and a Vampire that is angry and wants to kill you.

Just a thought. Consider this, we can potentially send Sakuya to get Nitori. Poor girl, lol.
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[x] Take us to her. To discern her urban legend, we need to know more.
Apologize to someone who currently holds us hostage and nearly killed most of our friends? I don't think so. If we're called to play doctor, it's time to play doctor, not more.
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[X] Apologise about the wing comment? Compliment the sword?
- [X] Ask for more information about her conditions
- [X] Ask if they had any clue about how Remilia made her Urban Legend or what Legend she choose
- [X] Act like how a doctor would be asking his patient about his symptoms with the best poker face you can manage. Well, as best as you can with a trigger happy time-stopper, a hostile and fed-up mage and a Vampire that is angry and wants to kill you.

Good write-in, says what I wanted to say better than I could.
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Why don't we add something about unsealing Satori's eye? Could be totally useful in diagnosing our 'patient'
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>>203284
In canon, it was never actually resolved, but remained ongoing and stayed as a new element of Gensokyo.
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Basically, I agree with being diplomatic for as long as it means keeping from harm. Frankly, fuck apologizing though.
It honestly shouldn't sound like an outlandish idea to unseal Satori's third eye - temporarily - to gather more information to perform a diagnosis on Remilia's condition if the suggestion is presented well. This could allow Satori a short respite and Greg an opportunity to figure something out about the magical seals put on them.
I doubt they'd let a illusionist magician have a access to his magics, so I won't ask the same for Greg.

>>203285 +1 (except for the apology portion)
[x] Suggest unsealing Satori's third eye as part of figuring out Remilia's condition
-[x] IF you can, observe the unsealing (and resealing) process, draw little attention to yourself
-[x] Subvovally Ask Satori to pay attention to the Patchouli's mind and the sealing process

Feeling bad about the last one but if there's something to figure out how the seals work the best bet are Satori's insights.
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>>203287 here changing vote to add unsealing Satori's third eye.
X] Apologise about the wing comment?
- [X] Ask for more information about her conditions
- [X] Ask if they had any clue about how Remilia made her Urban Legend or what Legend she choose
- [X] Act like how a doctor would be asking his patient about his symptoms with the best poker face you can manage. Well, as best as you can with a trigger happy time-stopper, a hostile and fed-up mage and a Vampire that is angry and wants to kill you.
-[x] Suggest unsealing Satori's third eye as part of figuring out Remilia's condition
-[x] IF you can, observe the unsealing (and resealing) process, draw little attention to yourself.
-[x] Suborally Ask Satori to pay attention to the Patchouli's mind and the sealing process
At first I thought that trying to read a very powerful and knowledgeable mage's mind would be a bad idea, but then I realized that Satori would read her mind anyways once her third eye was unsealed, because of how her ability works (having no control over whether or not to read someone's mind). We should still apologize though, just to be diplomatic. No need to go over the top though, just apologize for a thoughtless comment.
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>>203290
I suggest not asking them to unseal her eye for the time being. It really obvious why they would do so in the first place as well as why we would want to do so.

If you guys want to free her, we both need a leverage and a very good argument and compromise for them to agree.

Also, I kind see it as starting negotiating already so its best to hold it first until we get more information. If it goes as well as possible, we might be able to convince them to some terms for our benefit while disguising it as helping them. Hell, Maybe we can get Alice to come over.



Since no one has a plan of action now, I'll suggest something.

Obviously, the first goal is to GTFO but honestly, how the fuck do you outrun a time-stopper. So the only way out would be to fix up Remilia and hope they are nice enough to let us go. If they are reasonable.

The second goal is to solve the mysteries of the Orbs so as to fulfill our two request (now third). The SDM is a godsent for this, with both Pachy here and without having to worry about a manhunt anytime soon.

The only problem with this is that we are in a very weak position. We are weighted down both with and as a hostage, no magical power and a lack of knowledge actually solve this problem. If SDM might figure out we don't actually know how to solve it and instead use us as bait to draw Sumi.

We need to bluff our way out (Like Greg, the balls on that man) but to do that, we need to negotiate onto a better standing ground and to do that, we need to get some more information and make some deduction. For example, if we point out Remilia's case seems abnormal and that we would need a second option from a fellow magician, we might be able to call Alice or get Patchy to help us without being found out that we know less than we let on.

Like maybe we can convince them to let us head out for whatever reason, but Sakuya accompanies us. Ya think Greg can be friends with her, being fellow magicians?

Also, gotta apologize yo. Doesn't hurt to be polite.
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>>203293
>Also, gotta apologize yo. Doesn't hurt to be polite.
It unironically does because it is they who have pulled a manhunt for us and put us here. It justifies their actions and makes everyone on our side look even more weak and incompetent than we are already - and that includes Alice, Sumi, Koishi, Satori and possibly more. So no, no apologies. Greg couldn't have possibly known that wings were a touchy subject, anyway.
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The whole ordeal puts Greg in the peculiar position where he potentially can keep secrets from Satori.
Playing a bizarre, long game of pretend, during which Greg gets in good graces with his captors at the cost of trust of his fellow captive until a platinum opportunity to break (one of) them out arises, is possible. He managed to successfully bluff Sakuya, who by all means should have known better, after all.

I keep saying 'to pretend'; I know actually getting in good graces with the SDM and becoming actually friendly with anyone that isn't Sakuya is a legitimate course of action that could transpire. One that could transpire for Greg, though hardly for me.
I just wouldn't ever want to be friendly let alone fraternise with the folks who had terrified a friend of mine when they had an opportunity to do things differently, their justification be damned.

I'm really undecided on what to do but one thing's for sure, I'm firmly on Satori's side during this ordeal. Whether it means making her time as bearable as possible or getting her out quickly by any means.

>>202623
>Right, what else? Well, what comes to mind for Satori is a general sense of tiredness. Not physically[...] but more emotionally.
>Like, the world's rough and ruthless, and she's faced it for a long time. She hasn't given up, she hasn't stopped fighting, but she is tired of it,[...].
>tired of reading minds in general
Well, that was mostly Koishi projecting.
>Anyway, the point is, Satori seems drained because she cares. For Koishi, for her pets, for you and Sumireko, even for other people she comes across.
>Her words are blunt and sometimes biting, but they're always true, and usually helpful. She may hurt feelings, but by trying to expose lies, or offering constructive criticism.
>She may act distant and unapproachable, but you're certain she cares more than she lets on.

Fuuuck man. This hit me again.
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>>203295
Alright than, in that case, we can look on to the other side of the spectrum.

We now know we can use it to bait her instead. If possible, we might be able to use it to rile her up and get her hyper focused on our illusions or as a distraction.
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>>203291 here, I don't really expect them to accept, just doesn't hurt to try and if they shut the idea down, shrug and act as if it doesn't really matter.
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[x] Try to figure out more details about Remilia and her urban legend.
[x] Suggest unsealing Satori's third eye as part of figuring out Remilia's condition.

There's a lot to unpack in what Patchouli just said. In particular, the concept of urban legends turning youkai feral is terrifying and has some really horrible implications. But as much as you'd like to worry about the moral culpability side of things, having your life under direct threat has a wonderful way of concentrating the mind.

If you're going to make it out of this alive, you need to convince them that you have a concrete plan that ends with Remilia being fixed. Which means bluffing your way through the entire conversation. You have exactly one advantage here, and that's that they think you're an expert.

"Damn." Okay, that just slipped out. "Right, so the first order of business is figuring out just what Remilia's urban legend is."

"Maybe you don't get it," Flandre says, her words practically dripping murderous intent. "I don't want you to document my sister's urban legend, I want you to destroy it!"

You can't antagonize Flandre (she might actually just kill you), but you can't let her expect an easy or quick solution. So you put on your best poker face and stare her dead in the eyes. "Outright removing an urban legend is significantly more difficult than mitigating or altering one. Depending on what form Remilia's urban legend took, something like", your rack your brain for something plausible, "an offering of virgin's blood might put her back in control. If it has to be destroyed, then fine, but even then knowing what exactly what it is would be important."

That might have done the trick, Flandre is at least hesitating, but then Patchouli speaks up. "Do you think we haven't tried that? It's obviously vampiric in nature, given her enhanced weaknesses, but it doesn't match any of the classic descriptions."

No! You need more time and more information, so you have to undermine that somehow. "Classic descriptions? What, did you just reread your favorite vampire novels?"

It's a weak rebuttal at best, but Patchouli draws herself up, offended. Which is actually good. Sakuya and Flandre are the ones you need to sway, and Patchouli being offended makes it look like you have a point. "The Scarlet Devil Library contains more information about vampires than the rest of Gensokyo put together. And that's besides-"

"That's exactly your problem. A library." You lean forwards, channeling your best Sumi-brand smirk. "What makes you think some dusty old tome of folklore has anything to do with Remilia's urban legend? Urban legends are like all magic, they work off of belief! I would bet money that the people who know what's in those tomes could be counted on one hand, and that the people who actually care could be counted on one finger."

The mage is sputtering, and the vampire is looking irritated in her direction, but Sakuya is still very hard to read. "So what do you propose?"

You actually have an answer to that. "Satori. Remilia should at least have a good idea of her own urban legend, and even if she can't communicate it, we have a mind-reader on call right here."

"And unsealing your girlfriend has nothing to do with it."

Well, that was seen through in record time. "Not ten minutes ago you were telling me how you singlehandedly beat Satori, Sumireko, Reisen, and Marisa, at the same time. You can't possibly be worried she'll overpower you."

"And if unsealing Satori is unacceptable?"

Damn. You glance back at your friend, who's been watching the discussion with her own poker face. "In that case... it'll take longer, but the obvious choice is to send someone out to the human village. See what their stories about vampires are, and in particular if anything new has somehow come through from earth."

Sakuya regards you for a minute, then nods, and turns to the mage. "Miss Patchouli, are any of his claims false?"

The mage glares at you, and you can feel your heart skip a beat, but she sighs. "Hard to say. It's all plausible at least."

"Very well then. I believe his suggestions sensible, milady. What is your decision?"

The vampire blinks, looking over at the mage. "Patchy can turn the seal on and off, right?"

"Yes. The process is not instant, but it is simpler than most spellcards."

The vampire visibly thinks before swinging her fist downwards, and the complete lack of a table means it doesn't hit anything. She's disconcerted for a moment, then shakes it off and swings the fist into her palm instead. "Fine. Do it, then go get Meiling, and have her figure out the human village thing. Sakuya, get the parasol. We're going to visit my sister now."

You let out a breath you didn't realize you'd been holding. That went better than you'd expected, but you need a lot more to go right. You have a little time before you'll need to focus on Remilia, what next?

[-] Focus on these bindings. See if you can figure out how they work, and if there's any way for you or Satori to somehow circumvent them.
[-] Focus on the dynamics of your captors. This won't be the only time you need to talk your way out of a tight spot, and if you can metaphorically get in their heads, that'll only help in the future.
[-] Focus on the urban legend problem. You'll need to have some results to satisfy your captors, so you should really get a head start on that.

--ALSO--

[-] While her mind-reading is in play, is there anything in particular you want Satori to try and figure out? And for that matter, is there anything in particular you want to non-verbally tell her?
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[x] Focus on the urban legend

Seems it's best to comply for now, make them think you're a good boy before you can get the opportunity to get out in the occasion that you can't help after all.

[x] If things go bad and we'd need to escape, where could we go to?

A plan B in case of failure, there's no garantee that they'll let Greg and Satori go regardless of win or failure.
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[x] Focus on the urban legend problem. You'll need to have some results to satisfy your captors, so you should really get a head start on that.
-[x] Observe Remilia carefully when we see her. Chupacabras, famous blood-sucking creatures are said to look differently, but their distinctive feature is a row of spikes on their back and a lack of fur.

[x] While her mind-reading is in play, is there anything in particular you want Satori to try and figure out? And for that matter, is there anything in particular you want to non-verbally tell her?
-[x] Tell Satori to check if Remilia feels intense greed and/or hunger when she meets her. Those are symptoms of a Wendigo possession.
-[x] Tell Satori to keep calm, put on a poker face and observe the situation. There might be a way out and we need to see it before they decide to get rid of us, not after.

Play doctor, then play doctor well. But look out for an escape route.
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>Focus on these bindings. See if you can figure out how they work, and if there's any way for you or Satori to somehow circumvent them.
Has the potential of getting good intel on captors thanks to Satori and creating opportunities to flee at the risk of really falling out with the crew if caught.

>Focus on the dynamics of your captors. This won't be the only time you need to talk your way out of a tight spot, and if you can metaphorically get in their heads, that'll only help in the future.
Won't move things along much in any direction, but stalling for time may be what Greg needs to do.

>Focus on the urban legend problem. You'll need to have some results to satisfy your captors, so you should really get a head start on that.
Figuring Remilia's UL out may help figuring out what to do about Koishi later on.
I don't know what'll happen should he actually figure out, for a lack of a better word, a cure for Remilia. He sure as shit won't be let off scot-free. He could be delivered off as a gesture of appeasement or he could be kept to get Remilia an UL that actually favored her and/or used as bargaining chip in Gensokian youkai politics.
No idea what they'd do with Satori.

So...
[x] Focus on the bindings.
--ALSO--
Tell Satori...
[x] your plan.
[x] to look into the binding process.
[x] to figure out what they have in mind should Remilia's condition improve.

I'm figuring being of a focused mind will be a sort of comfort.



Dude's nailing his speech checks, holy shit. I wonder how far he could have bullshit his way through if the first person he met wouldn't have been the only one who can tell his bluffs indiscriminately.
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[x] Focus on the urban legend problem. You'll need to have some results to satisfy your captors, so you should really get a head start on that.
-[x] Observe Remilia carefully when we see her. Chupacabras, famous blood-sucking creatures are said to look differently, but their distinctive feature is a row of spikes on their back and a lack of fur.

[x] While her mind-reading is in play, is there anything in particular you want Satori to try and figure out? And for that matter, is there anything in particular you want to non-verbally tell her?
-[x] Tell Satori to check if Remilia feels intense greed and/or hunger when she meets her. Those are symptoms of a Wendigo possession.
-[x] Tell Satori to keep calm, put on a poker face and observe the situation. There might be a way out and we need to see it before they decide to get rid of us, not after.

I approve of this plan. We need to both figure out what's wrong with Remilia (so they don't try to kill us) and also figure out a way to escape (so they cant kill us once they don't need us). I also had an idea of a... slightly gruesome way to beat Sakuya. It would be to cause a very sudden, very large wound (IDK how) so that if she freezes everything except herself, she'll bleed out quickly. If she can freeze the area which is injured, then if we hit her in the thigh she still wont be able to move much at all. This is also disregarding the possibility that she cant use her ability while in great pain. This would be an extreme measure to take though, only to be used if it seems like they're going to kill us immediately.
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[X] Focus on the urban legend problem. You'll need to have some results to satisfy your captors, so you should really get a head start on that.

[x] While her mind-reading is in play, is there anything in particular you want Satori to try and figure out? And for that matter, is there anything in particular you want to non-verbally tell her?
-[X] Give her a thumbs-up
-[X] What ever the other anons are saying

>>203302
Orz. That went better than I thought it would. My bad

>>203307
The man is a stage magician. Still, the balls on him tho.

>>203308
Surprisingly, with our illusions, we might actually be more of a match against Sakuya than we think. The only problem would be the lack of spellcards and the ridiculous mind game we would have to play to outsmart her. That and we still have to go through an actual magician and a very pissed vampire after.
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>>203309 could we really outsmart her? I mean she has literally all the time in the world to figure our plan out. Doesn't mean I think my brute force plan would work though.
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>>203308
>defeating Sakuya
I'm of the mind of not thinking too much of that but if we were to go for that crapshoot, let's take cues from Reisen
>Reimu tricked her into a binding and hit her while she was trapped
>Marisa managed to seal off an entire hallway and blew the whole thing up

Both lured Sakuya into a trap she couldn't get herself out from, regardless of the amount of time she had.

Greg's current kit hardly allows for a similar feat, him missing seals and firepower. Also, I think the pyramid bracelet is still in Sumireko's possession. His is『A Kind of Magic』that requires careful planning and intrigue, gentility and suggestion.
Sakuya's the only one who's perfectly aware of the Mansion's layout since she's the one who expands its size with her time manipulation.
Her weakness lies in that familiarity.
To craft a convincing and subtle enough world of illusion (with the help of enchantments and mental magics) to keep Sakuya second guessing, keep her going in circles repeatedly, permanently. A tremendous task (and that's just to immobilise her), still one I see being more plausible than somehow giving her a gashing, debilitating wound.
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To be fair when I said would a knife in an artery would probably suffice, you're not staying standing for long with blood rushing out of you, nor was I suggesting that we try to do something like that, just was thinking of it as a last resort if all other methods were to fail, as she seems to be perfectly willing to apply deadly force. But yeah, your idea is better if we can set it up properly.
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>>203311
Ah, but for you see, this is only if she figures out the plan in the first place.

Jokes aside, Greg's kit does have a chance since Sakuya's power doesn't actually nullify/counters his by default and anyone that does has a fair chance to be bamboozled by illusions.

>>203312 makes a good point. No easy task but still possible unless we can somehow outwit her using a more manageable illusion output
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Greg is an illusionist. He makes illusions. That one time we had Reisen break them, not Sakuya. Patchouli can contest them with her spells and "maybe" see where we are by observing where is no air inside the mansion, but that's only if we're near her. That's it. So if we get both of our seals off, veil and just jump out the nearest window and leave, we win, so there is no need to overthink it.

As for actually defeating Sakuya, we only need to trick her with illusions when there are no people around that can interfere with them. There is no need to create an entire world of illusion when we can simply misdirect - that is where our strength is. Regardless, that is simply too far out ahead to think about.
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>>203315
>So if we get both of our seals off, veil and just jump out the nearest window and leave, we win, so there is no need to overthink it.

Meiling can still detect us on Mansion grounds due to her Qi-ability. If Sakuya isn't incapacitated at the time it effectively means infinite searching time, making a veil merely a nuisance all in all.
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>>203316
>Meiling can still detect us on Mansion grounds due to her Qi-ability.
Detect, sure, react, I'd wager no.
>If Sakuya isn't incapacitated at the time it effectively means infinite searching time, making a veil merely a nuisance all in all.
Her time for searching isn't infinite, just a lot more extended. Human brain can only remain awake for so long and keeping up sorcery while asleep is likely not possible - and that's the hard limit. The soft limit is how much time she can keep the world still - and none of us know that right now. If you give up and say "she can stop time forever she wins no matter what!!!!", then there would have been no battle scene earlier, she would just stop time and win. Limits to stopping time exist, therefore it's possible to abuse them and win.

However, again, it's really stupid to try to reason all this out while we're under lock, key and shackle. We can't even fight right now. It's best to think of what Remilia's UL is instead. If it's, say, not Chupacabra or a Wendigo, then what could it possibly be?
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>>203317
>Limits to stopping time exist, therefore it's possible to abuse them and win.
>However, again, it's really stupid to try to reason all this out while we're under lock, key and shackle
Agreed. Still enjoy bouncing ideas around and getting in on a back-and-forth.
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