Given the tranquil atmosphere that this area and the scene before you give off, you feel that it would be not only wrong but incredibly stupid to be loud and brash at this moment. You bow at the waste to both Youmu and Yuyuko. You greet the two politely. Yuyuko giggles slightly, while Youmu seems to be appraising you.
“Glad you finally made it here. We were really expecting you much sooner. Our other ‘special guest’ has had to step out for a moment.” Yuyuko giggles again, “Youmu, pour our guest some tea please.” Yuyuko waves you over and offers you a spot on the blanket. You sit down and she scoots over closer to you. Youmu offers you a cup of tea, still giving you an appraising look. She doesn’t seem quite sure what to make of you just yet. You gratefully accept the tea from her. She settles back into her position where she was sitting before. The strange little white blob thing behind her seems to be ‘looking’ in your direction. Well, as much as a faceless white mass can look in any direction.
“Please, Help yourself,” Yuyuko waves her hand across the entire spread of food, “We’re glad to share. We don’t get too many visitors, well... visitors like you here.” A wan smile graces her ghostly pale face, giving an oddly unsettling effect to the gesture.
[ ] Eat [ ] Don’t eat. [ ] Engage in conversation. [ ] Ruffle Youmu’s hair. [ ] Ask about the “Special Guests”
You ask Yuyuko about the “Special Guests” she was referring too.
Yuyuko giggles, and waves her hand. “It’s nothing, nothing. Nothing you need to be worrying about right now. Come, come. Eat, eat. There’s nothing wrong with the food if that’s what you’re afraid of.” There’s that smile again. You’re not sure if that’s how she normally smiles or if it’s for some other reason. Youmu shifts her position on the blanket slightly. Myon now seems far more interested in the trees behind Youmu.
[ ] Eat. [ ] Engage in conversation. [ ] Press about the ‘Special Guests’ [ ] Inquire about Myon.
You decide to let the ‘special guest’ topic drop, and instead turn to look at the spread of food before you. There’s a little bit of everything you could possibly imagine. Pastries and sweets, meat, rice, and a couple of things you can’t quite identify. It all looks quite good. Yuyuko urges you on while you look over the food, giggling slightly.
So, what do you wanna try first?
[ ] pastries/sweets [ ] Meat [ ] Rice [ ] Unidentified food. [ ] Change your mind about eating.
You pick up a plate and use a spoon already in the unidentified substance to put some on your plate. Yuyuko seems quite pleased. “Excellent choice, excellent choice!” She clapps her hands together, Then there’s that goddamn smile again. It REALLY unnerves you. Why does she keep doing that. Shrugging your shoulders you bring a spoonful of the material up to your mouth, the taste is wonderful. Unlike anything that you’ve ever tasted before. You decided to ask Yuyuko what’s in there.
“Pomegranate” She replies simply.
Youmu sighs and shakes her head. You suddenly feel heavier, like something is weighing you down, and there’s a strange rumbling in what would be your stomach if you were alive. You feel cramps too. This whole thing just feels completely off. You double over, holding your middle.
[ ] Yuyuko… what…? [ ] Youmu, Help me! [ ] Attempt to flee. [ ] Do nothing, remain silent.
“Ufufufufufufufufu…. It’s been so long since we’ve had someone here, I’ve been lonely, here, all by myself… ufufufufufufufufufu. So now, You get to stay! Forever! Aren’t you glad! WELL? Aren’t you!?” Youmu stands up and walks over towards the mansion. “I’ll go prepare the guest room, Yuyuko-sama.” With that, you’re left with Yuyuko. Alone. This could not possibly get worse.
Yuyuko has that smile on her face again. “Aren’t you glad you get to stay here?”
[ ] yes. [ ] No. [ ] Fuck you bitch. [ ] Run the fuck away.
So much for MiG anon being smarter than YWUiG anon. ------------------------------------------------ Yuyuko presses up against you, obviously pleased at your response. “Good. Now you get a bit of a reward for being such a good boy.” Yuyuko leans in close. So close that her forehead is almost touching yours. Her body is pressing up against you in quite distracting ways. She quickly closes the distance between the two of you and kisses you on the lips. Her tongue runs along your lips and forces itself inside your mouth. You start to move your hands up to touch her body but she draws back from you quickly. “NO. You are NOT allowed to touch. Only *I* may touch you. UNDERSTOOD?” Moving her hands, your body suddenly becomes rigid and unable to move. Yuyuko licks her lips slightly. “You taste good…” And there’s that goddamn smile again.
The last thing you see is Yuyuko’s mouth opening impossibly wide.
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I am confused. I thought we were already dead. Yet here we are being treated as NOT just another ghost. People the Yama sends to Hakugyokurou don't normally have to do anything special to be stuck there, do they?
Yomi (黄泉), the Japanese word for the underworld in which horrible creatures guard the exits; according to Shinto mythology as related in Kojiki, this is where the dead go to dwell and apparently rot indefinitely. Once one has eaten at the hearth of Yomi it is impossible to return to the land of the living. Yomi is comparable to Hades or hell and is most commonly known for Izanami's retreat to that place after her death. Izanagi followed her there and upon his return he washed himself, creating Amaterasu, Susanoo, and Tsukuyomi in the process. (See Japanese mythology.)
This realm of the dead seems to have geographical continuity with this world and certainly cannot be thought of as a paradise to which one would aspire, nor can it appropriately be described as a hell in which one suffers retribution for past deeds; rather, all deceased carry on a gloomy and shadowy existence in perpetuity regardless of their behavior in life. Many scholars believe that the image of Yomi was derived from ancient Japanese tombs in which corpses were left for some time to decompose. After the arrival of Buddhism, Yomi also became one of the Buddhist hells in Japan, like Kakuri which is ruled by Enma.
Blah. Damn thing's eaten 3 posts now. I think it's pretending it's Yuyuko. Anyways, you're not playing with low level bosses anymore. ------------------------------------------------ You ask Yuyuko about the “Special Guests” she was referring too. This all seems somewhat familiar.
Yuyuko giggles, and waves her hand. “It’s nothing, nothing. Nothing you need to be worrying about right now. Come, come. Eat, eat. There’s nothing wrong with the food if that’s what you’re afraid of.” There’s that smile again. You’re not sure if that’s how she normally smiles or if it’s for some other reason. Right now, though, it sends shivers down your spine. Youmu shifts her position on the blanket slightly, sighs, and then takes a sip of her tea. Myon now seems far more interested in Yuyuko. For some reason, this all seems far too familar, but... Different some how.
[ ] Press about the ‘Special Guests’ [ ] Leave. [ ] Drink your tea. [ ] Look at the cherry blossoms.
You lean back propping yourself up on your arms, and look up at the cherry blossoms. Yuyuko urges you to have something to eat a few more times before realizing that you’re not listening to her. She sighs quietly. “You’re quite clever, aren’t you? You probably already know who the guest is too, given how fond you are of cursing her name.” Yuyuko suddenly brakes out into a huge grin. Youmu sighs. “I told you it wouldn’t work. Besides, she’d be quite upset if she came back and found that he was stuck here forever.” Yuyuko giggles. “ I know but it was fun to at least try.” She looks up at the blossoms. “You really are quite lucky, you know, not many people, alive or dead, get to see the cherry blossoms in this garden. Sure, people may say that there are sights that are far more beautiful than this, but if there is, I haven’t seen them.” Yuyuko leans forwards and presses against you. “Hey, boy, How about you come back and visit me sometime, after this is all over. I’ll make you regret it if you don‘t,” She says in a breathy voice, before sitting back up and giggling. She turns to Youmu and begins babbling off about some thing or another, but you’re quite distracted at the moment. You just continue to stare at the cherry blossoms and hope that you don’t piss this seemingly fickle ghost princess off.
Suddenly, there’s a face staring directly into yours, from above. It’s upside down to boot.
[ ] Scream. [ ] Boot to the head. [ ] Flee. [ ] Yu... Yu... Yuyuko!
Youmu sweeps the garden of the Saigyouji family; it's about 200 yojanas long (The mistress exaggerates, of course). This garden has a large amount of cherry trees, where is a good site for residents all over the Netherworld. When spring comes, Youmu is very busy in sweeping.
(Note: Yojana is a unit of the distance that ancient India's imperial army could move per day. 1 yojana equals about 10-15 km. In other words, the Saigyouji's garden is about 2,000-3,000 km. long... Is that so?)
You fall backwards, rear your foot up and slam it directly into the face that, until just a moment ago, was directly in yours. The blonde haired woman falls out of the strange black space that she had just, until a moment ago, been hanging out of. She’s then sprawled out on top of the food that had been laid out. Yuyuko looks down at Yukari in shock, and Youmu is taken aback. They then both turn to you, anger decidedly showing in their eyes. But Yukari pushes herself up. “Calm down. I probably deserved at least that much.” Yukari reaches out her hand and puts it on Yuyuko’s shoulder. Yuyuko immediately calms down, but turns, worriedly to Yukari. “Are you really quite sure you’re ok?” “I’m fine, Yuyuko.” Youmu, seeing her master being calm again, sits back down. She’s still glaring daggers at you, though.
Several minutes pass.
Yukari, with the help of Yuyuko, has gotten most of the food off of her clothes. Youmu cleared away any of the food that hadn’t been fallen on, leaving you, Yuyuko, and Yukari alone. Yukari looks at you quite seriously. “While I did enjoy watching you run around Gensokyo, it was never my intention for you to be killed. I only stopped watching for a short while, and when I came back, You’d apparently flung yourself from a roof. I really must apologize.”
You shrug and give a non committal answer.
“HOWEVER, I do have a plan that may fix all of this. But you’d need to agree to go through with it, despite the dangers that may be involved. If you succeed, I can almost guarantee that ‘you’ won’t survive. But that will really solve all the problems. You’ll also get back to your little friends. So, are you willing to try?”
[ ] Agree. [ ] Disagree. [ ] I don’t trust you Yukari. [ ] Leave.
You quickly agree to Yukari’s plan. Not quite sure what you’re getting yourself into, you ask her to explain the plan in more detail.
“Well, this is going to take quite a bit of power, but what I’m planning on doing is sending you back to the moment when you jumped off of the roof. If I can get you there at the right time, You should be able to prevent your past self from ever jumping. However, in doing so…. well.. that’s not exactly important. The thing is, Remember to be quick. I’m not sure how close I’ll get you, but you only have one shot at this. Fail, and it’s game over. You won’t get another chance at it. Chan and Ren have been preparing the necessary energy for some time now. There’s only a short window here, so are you ready?”
>>You should be able to prevent your past self from ever jumping. However, in doing so...
But if we stop our self we won't die so we won't stop our self so we'll die so we will stop our self so we won't die so e won't die so we won't stop our self so we'll die so we will stop our self so we won't die so......
>>9596 Paradox wont' happen on the basis of self-correcting timeline theory. Re: You went back in time. Time changed. The original time no longer exists period. We live. (until our next stupid shit). the person who came back to save us... er... lives. Given they have no existance to return to... unless you subscripbe to the potential of parallel timelimes.
>>9600 >>Re: You went back in time. Time changed. The original time no longer exists period.
You haven't explained why there wouldn't be a paradox, you haven't given a reason why the event should still happen if that future is destroy which would, you know, make it impossible to alter the original event
>>9608 Pretty goddamn simple. There is no paradox because THERE IS NO GODDAMN FUTURE. Take the grandfather clause...
You go back in time and kill your grandfather. You don't disappear. Why? because you exist. How you came to exist doesn't matter, you exist in that period of time and thus you will continue to exist. You will not, however, be able to return to your own time as your own time does not exist.
In effect you simply 'deleted' the future. It's kinda like deleting the second half of a hard-drive after moving some shit to the first half... the shit that was in the second (now in the first) still exists, but can't go back because the second half is now blank.
>>9608 Naturally time traveling to the past and interacting with oneself requires temporarily detaching your "temporal anchor" so that continuity issues no longer affects you. Of course, this requires a massive amount of power, and you will be time-wiped as soon as the power runs out, because you no longer have a place in the timeline.
But really, what kind of non-mumbojumbo explanation do you want with time travel?
You're all assuming the paradox will kill you, but I doubt bordering through time will break the entire universe or else Yukari would do it herself because she'd be nonexistent no matter what. It's possible that going through a time boarder makes you magicalradioactive or some shit and you die a few minutes after doing it no matter what.
>>9612 Your theory still requires the existence of at least one future where you do go back in time to stop the event, even if it isn't the exact future involved in the initial scenario.
If you destroy the future you're from you can't exist in any time frame regardless of any crap about energy. You can't just fade out because this isn't a wave/particle style problem, your past was locked in all ready and if you destroy it you will not exist to destroy it. No "lol temporal anchor hax" will change this.
Although, I imagine you can create an alternate time line based around your tampering if you didn't come from that time line you won't feel the effect.
>>9712 The reasoning behind his criticism is applicable to both, really. >>9612 says, "You just exist. YOU JUST DO, OKAY." >>9643 says, "CAUSALITY BITCHES. Can't erase your past EVER." >>9614 says, "Science Fantasy mumbojumbo makes causality irrelevant."
Really, it's not about errors for any of them, since any ACTUAL time travel would be beyond our understanding anyway and could take any form.
>>9760 >It doesn't. Uh, yes it does, or we're not talking about time travel anymore. But we WERE talking about time travel, so >>9612 DID require a "future" to exist. After that, his criticism/statement that "You can't arbitrarily ignore causality and say, 'You just exist'" applies.
>This is proven by tautology. Existing is a premise of the question. Yes, but a tautology provides no support to a conclusion (since if the conclusion is held in doubt, the premise--being identical--does not counter this doubt). And the problem was that an existence in any point in time is unintelligible without a causal history to that existence. Therefore, if you say "even if you wipe out your causal history, you still exist, cause you just do", no support is adduced for the claim that "you still exist".
How is it required to have an immutable future in order to have traveled to the past? Explain this in a way that doesn't include anything resembling "It just doesn't make sense." That's not a reason.
>Yes, but a tautology provides no support to a conclusion (since if the conclusion is held in doubt, the premise--being identical--does not counter this doubt).
Let's say the base question is "What if you traveled back in time?" Thus, a premise of the question is that you traveled back in time. This is to say that you exist at some point in the "past" relative to the original context.
It's a premise of the question and not of the argument, and therefore requires no support.
>And the problem was that an existence in any point in time is unintelligible without a causal history to that existence.
The cause is "you traveled back in time." I could submit an addition to the theory that more fully explores the concept of cause following effect, but I don't yet see it as necessary.
>>9861 >How is it required to have an immutable future in order to have traveled to the past? Explain this in a way that doesn't include anything resembling "It just doesn't make sense." The 'immutable future' is part and parcel of having a 'causal history', and the 'causal history' was proposed as necessary for existence. If you simply don't accept that stopping a cause means stopping an effect, that is acceptable and there's nothing more to discuss. As I implied earlier, it's useless to argue over the actual mechanics of time travel, since it's still nothing but fiction.