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9327 No. 9327
The grand book of mind readers, volume the sixth:
Proper care and nutrition

No. 9329
My God, would you stop making threads like this?
No. 9330
If you realize your mind reader is refusing to eat and/or is acting less lively than usual, it is recommended that you leave it with other small animals such as puppies, kittens, etc.
No. 9331
>>9329
No.
I should be running out of pictures in only, oh, five threads or so. Don't worry.
No. 9336
ENEMIES OF THE EMPEROR, HEAR ME
PSYKER POWERS ARE HERESY
CRUSH THE SPINES OF THOSE WHO DEFY THE IMMORTAL GOD-EMPEROR
No. 9337
>>9336
>40K reference
>Koishi pic
Can this get any better?
No. 9338
>>9337
Not conceivably, no.
No. 9339
>>9337
Of course it can, just take out the 40k reference.
No. 9342
>>9339
I don’t see that working out.
No. 9343
Actually, any word in that book about butts?
No. 9435
Row, row, row your butt..

Gently down the stream...
No. 9437
Maybe Satori will level-up her sex appeal with Symposium.
I'm counting on you, Pixiv artists.
No. 9439
No. 9441
>>9437
I don’t know if I’d rather have a monster trying to be cute or trying to be sexy.
No. 9470
I suppose both are equally bad.
No. 9471
>>9441
It's neither.

She doesn't even have to try.
No. 9481
>>9471
That so?
No. 9485
NEXT UP

REISEN STORY
No. 9486
OR WAIT

MAYBE YOUMU
No. 9487
OR

SHIT I DUNNO
No. 9489
>>9487
HOKUTO NO KEN: GENSOKYO EDITION
No. 9495
>>9485
Why is she summoning her persona?
No. 9503
>>9495
I HAVE

NO IDEA
No. 9504
HOW ABOUT WE

HUNT SOME MONSTERS
No. 9534
Or drink.

How soft would a drunken Satori be?
No. 9537
Softer than the softest of ghost gardeners.
No. 9538
I'd carry her on my back while she mumbles incoherently.


If you know what I mean.
No. 9542
No. 9553
>>9538
I know precisely what you mean.
No. 9562
Your teacher is a monster.

What. Do.
No. 9563
>>9562
That happens sometimes.
No. 9579
bouncy
No. 9581
>>9579
that looks fun
No. 9592
>>9581
You bet.
No. 9593
Bedtop sports for indoor types with Satori.
No. 9594
>>9593
You wouldn’t!
No. 9597
>>9594
I would. If she feels up to it.
No. 9617
>>9597
So considerate of a monster.
No. 9618
Do you think her clothes are made of human skin?
No. 9619
>>9618
They'd have to be very, very old clothes. Humans don't enter her domain much.
No. 9620
>>9619
I’d enter her domain.
No. 9621
No. 9656
>>9617
I am not a monster.
No. 9657
>>9618
What? No. What?
No. 9673
I wish to squeeze her.
No. 9680
>>9673
Who doesn't?
No. 9682
I wish to screw her.
No. 9689
>>9656
Well then WHAT ARE YOU?
No. 9698
>>9689
I'm like you. A reluctant relic of an older, darker age.
No. 9734
>>9682
You can't!
No. 9735
Was today Koishi day or something? A ton of new Koishi pics on pixiv and booru.
No. 9736
>>9735
It is indeed. Isn't it great?
Does Satori have her own day, I wonder?
No. 9738
>>9736
Who cares about that emo pink-haired brat?
No. 9745
>>9738
Lots of people, such as her sister, you douche.
No. 9747
>>9734
Oh, fine. I'll screw her sister instead.
Better?
No. 9748
>>9747
No. You do not have the elder's trust.
No. 9749
>>9736
Tenth of March, I believe.
No. 9750
YOU HAVE COME TO THE WRONG UNDERWORLD, EARTHLING
No. 9800
:I can see forever:
No. 9801
No. 9802
Magical girl version.
No. 9805
Totally not a metaphor, guis.
No. 9806
HA

HA

HA
No. 9807
>>9805
Girls don't have penises, I don't care what you and half of japan say.
No. 9809
Squishy Satori boobs.
No. 9855
Several monsters engaging in appropriately monstrous activities.
No. 9857
Same as above.
No. 9859
>>9855
Those eyes...
Please let her go, weird tentacle thing.
No. 9883
>>9859
Until I actually moused over your post quote, I thought you were talking about Rinnosuke.
I lol'd.
No. 9886
>>9883
Psh. I like you. You can come over to my home and fuck my monster.
No. 9912
indeed
No. 9913
x2 combo
No. 9923
>>9913
No. 10000
No. 10001
Fill my eyeeees, with that double vision.
No. 10002
No disguiiise, for that double vision
Ooh, when it gets through to me, it's always new to me
My double vision gets the best of me
No. 10004
Eyes up here!
No. 10005
I said up he—wait what.
No. 10031
Here, puss, puss, puss...
No. 10059
>>10031
Meow.
No. 10091
>>10059
That’s cute. A monster trying to act a pet.
No. 10092
I really don't think Satori and Koishi appreciate you calling them "monsters".

Or being infatuated with them.
No. 10093
>Or being infatuated with them.
Koishi doesn't care because her eye is closed, and it's nothing Satori hasn't seen before.
No. 10094
>>10091
Not a pet, a cat.
Meow.
No. 10095
>>10092
>Or being infatuated with them.
Oh, I think she should. She’s a hated monster, remember? She should be glad I am willing to turn my attention to her, if only to destroy her. Assuming however I was indeed infatuated with her, upon being asked by her if I liked her, I would most likely say “Well, yes.” Then I would destroy her.
No. 10096
Satori hates two-faced people. If you keep saying things you don't mean, you'll end up being hated by Satori.

You don't want that, do you?
No. 10097
No. 10098
No. 10101
>>10095
It is a terrible thing to destroy what you love.
No. 10102
>>10096
Two-faced? Good man, I lie all the time, deliberately, even when I know people know it isn’t truth, for the sake of cheap amusement. You’ll ask me, “Where’ve you gone today, my dearest of dear friends?” And I’ll say, “To the moon and back, pulled a shooting star by the tail, bought a ticket for the lottery and lost. What else!” And I’ll never share the lottery prize with you, I’ll never do. I don’t know that you could call this “two-faced.” It’s something else entirely; I know not its name.

Well, but if she don’t like it anyway, she can either deal w/it or close her third eye so she can swallow my sweet, sweet lies in blissful ignorance. The latter, preferably, followed by a swift disappearance into eternal nothingness. Thus my duty to man-kind is complete!

>>10101
What if I love destroying things? Including Satoris?
No. 10103
Speaking of, however, I have to wonder how Satori would react to an openly thought but maliciously denied affection. Something along these lines:
“You do love me, don’t you?”
“I? What a thing to say.”
“You think of kissing and embracing me all the time.”
“Would I do that?”
“You do. You can’t hide it.”
“I haven’t the slightest idea what you’re talking about.”
“Oh, come now!”
“Come where? Ah, never mind. I was reading this book; I should want to go back to it, if you’d be so kind to leave me for now. We can cuddle in the evening.”
“You said ‘cuddle!’”
“I did? What an absurd idea.”

And so on.
No. 10105
>>10102
>What if I love destroying things? Including Satoris?
There's a name for people like that.
I think you know it quite well. You use it quite often.
No. 10113
>>10105
Human?
No. 10114
>>10113
Monster, you twit.
No. 10115
>>10096
What about two-tongued people?
BWAHAHAHAHA!
No. 10116
>>10114
Nonsense. I know a monster when I see one.
No. 10122
>>10116
...And what would you say the entity behind this young woman is?
No. 10123
>>10122
Why, a rare Poké Ball, of course.
No. 10141
If nobody scans this, I’m going to be pi-i-issed. I’m still waiting on that last one, too
No. 10142
>>10122
A vehicle of war. Duh.
No. 10144
>>10141
Why? The last Satori thing they produced was crap.
No. 10146
>>10144
The samples looked rather all right.
No. 10149
>>10146
I meant this.

What you posted DOES look nice.
No. 10150
>>10149
Yes, yes it does. The shame is, the samples are riddled by jaypeg artifacts (on exhentai) and overlaid text (on pixiv). And naturally no one scanned the bloody thing.
No. 10151
No. 10161
2LEWD
No. 10165
>>10161
cumon, step it up
No. 10173
>>10165
I'd rather not.
No. 10258
>>10173
ur 2 prude

oh god she looks so happy in this page
No. 10264
christ, my heart
No. 10305
>>10258
>>10264
Oh my goodness, this is wonderful.
No. 10317
It is. Sickeningly so. And I love it.
No. 10378
How she avoids getting tangles up in these cables while she sleeps is beyond me.
No. 10384
Why do you think there's only two of them?
The whole family died during their sleep, and they were found with their neck entangled in those things.
No. 10401
>>10384
Well then how has she avoided it? Koishi only has two cables and they go to her ankles, so she’s sort of safer, but Satori? She’s a mess, man. Worse than the back-side of my desk.
In the image: me in the bottom-right panel.
No. 10404
>>10401
You use good mangas (yes, I'm referring to >>10258 too) but you never give any source.
No. 10407
>>10404
That’s because I snag it off pixiv, and those are usually sample pages, often from unreleased works.
>>10264 and >>10258 are from http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=27469679
>>10401 is from http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=27521582
You can also use http://www.saucenao.com to search and id those.
No. 10415
>>10407
I don't often use saucenao. Mostly iqdb, and it doesn't work with Pixiv.
No. 10424
For some reason, I like that picture.
No. 10433
>>10378
>>10401
Who says she doesn't?
No. 10436
Funny how those strings are going everywhere.
No. 10441
>>10436
Always conveniently out of the way in pictures tho—wait.
No. 10445
Big haul today!
No. 10446
No. 10447
No. 10451
I'd carefully and lovingly disentangle her cables, if you know what I mean.
No. 10452
>>10451
You'll need this.
No. 10455
>>10452
That's not very loving.
No. 10456
>>10451
I know exactly what you mean.
No. 10457
>>10456
Jesus YAF, did you got raped by a satori when you were young or something like that?
No. 10493
Bah, we all know she can use those to kill her victim.
No. 10498
>>10493
Monstrous.
>>10457
Merely doing my duty.
No. 10500
The youkai's weakness is its heart.
Break its heart, and you kill it.
Litterally.
No. 10507
>>10500
Oh, I’ll break her heart all right.
No. 10513
Oh, look. A feisty one. How droll.
No. 10526
>>10500
If that was true, Satori would be very dead by now.

>>10507
Oh god how do I interpret this fuck augh
No. 10533
>>10526
Well, she's in Hell now. If being in Hell doesn't mean being dead, I don't know what it means.
No. 10541
>>10526
The answer is: however you pretty well wish.
No. 10542
>>10541
No. 10543
>>10542
No. 10544
>>10541
>>10542
>>10543
Oh lord, this is a bad omen.
No. 10581
Do you think she remembers what flowers smell like?
No. 10585
>>10581
Why, yes. Her sister is the Subterranean Rose, is she not?
No. 10587
>>10585
Are you saying that if I tenderly took Koishi’s little hand, lifted it gently to my lips, holding by the tiny wrist, that if I lightly pried open her white fingers, no bigger than a minute, and, brushing her warm palms on my cheek as she smiles at me awkwardly, smelled her most delicate skin… it would smell like roses?

That’s completely bonkers, man.
No. 10592
>>10587
>That’s completely bonkers, man.
You're completely right. Let's not even imagine that scenario ever again.
No. 10595
My face when I read >>10587
No. 10606
>>10595
>Żywiec
Swill and dog-piss, that. How anyone would get dirt-faced drunk on that and why eludes me.

That aside, what do you think Satori’s hands smell like? Other than monster?
No. 10608
>>10606
Old books and lilacs.
No. 10609
>>10608
That’s surprisingly quaint.
No. 10610
>>10609
What were you expecting?
No. 10611
>>10606
Cat piss.
No. 10613
>>10611
How mean.
No. 10640
>>10610
Dried crusted blood and flesh?
No. 10663
>>10640
Satori don't eat people, you dumb fuck. They get energy from thoughts.
No. 10666
>>10663
Whoa, whoa, nobody said a thing about eating humans, chillax the fuck out. There’s no need to get so defensive. One might almost think you’re a monster yourself.
No. 10669
>>10666
Where else would she get that sort of smell?
Don't play innocent with me. Not after everything else you've said and done.
No. 10673
>>10669
Oh, there’s plenty of possibilities. She might have been preparing food for her pets, for one, likely meats, too. Gods know I get a metric ton of blood and flesh under my nails whenever I make liver.

You were the only one who mentioned eating humans, good sir... and methinks for a good reason.
No. 10676
>>10673
I'm not playing these games with you. And I certainly won't be called a monster by you.
No. 10678
>>10676
Oh, I don’t think you have a choice.
No. 10679
>>10678
True enough...
Think what you want.
No. 10680
>>10678
True enough...
Fine. Think what you want.
No. 10681
Oh, come on. First you say I can't upload that image, than it goes through anyway? Make up your god damn mind.
No. 10686
You enter a room and see Satori on the couch, smiling at you welcomingly (if not a touch mischievously). What is your course of action?
No. 10688
>>10686
Think about food, I'm hungry.
No. 10697
>>10686
Where is this room? My house? Her house? Or someplace else?
No. 10703
>>10697
How am I supposed to know? I’m not writing this story.
No. 10724
>>10703
But then how should I know how I'd react!? If it's a room in my house, I'd freak out over Satori being real and sitting on my couch, but if it was at hers, it'd be completely different!
No. 10725
I squeal like a little girl and pass out.
No. 10726
>>10686
Unfortunately, my answer to that question is rated AO and I can't freely discuss it.
No. 10739
>>10726
We’re all adults here, don’t be shy.
No. 10842
Well, I know what kind of story I’m writing next.
No. 10843
>>10842
please don't
No. 10844
>>10843
Try and stop me. I’ll beat this Satori to a pulp.
No. 10846
>>10844
>>Try and stop me. I’ll beat this Satori to a pulp.

Don't you mean you'll fill her dark soul with LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT"?
No. 10847
>>10846
But her soul isn't dark!
No. 10849
>>10842
Look who I found wandering around, Yandere Alice Fag!
My friend here has a small problem with you. It seems that you made her die, and she's not too happy about that!
Now I think it is time she repays the favor!
No. 10860
>>10849
You cannot kill the messiah.
No. 10865
>>10860
Hey, I'm very happy for you, and Imma let ya finish, but they already killed one, so hold on to your butt, little missy!
No. 10866
>>10865
Kay~!
No. 10867
Still waiting on my canonically-sized Satoris.
No. 10901
>>10867
I'm all out.
No. 10902
No. 10903
>>10902
If you zoom out, it looks like she’s licking her finger.

I don’t know why I’m pointing this out.
No. 10935
u wudnt mlest a stori
No. 10941
>>10935
u cant tell me waht to do BICTH
No. 10963
>>10941
fuk u
No. 11071
I’ll taaake yoúu͘u͘͏̛ ̢i͠i̴i̶i͏̀į̷ȉ̋̀̽̍ͣ̒͂̆ͅiͯ̃̅̈͊͏͔̮̲̞̜̕i̠̱͈̤̟̗͗̀̈́͂̆i̧͓̮̘̞̞̞͐͗͋̏ͥ̆̀ͅį̴̋̿̀͏̥͍̺͇̟̼n͊
̳͉̫̗
No. 11095
Today’s theme: Satori with her clothes messed up.
No. 11096
No. 11097
No. 11098
No. 11099
The question is: is there pleasure to find in undressing a monster?
No. 11100
The answer seems clear.
No. 11101
>>11100
Wait. I might have made a mistake there somewhere.
No. 11139
Satories make me happy
No. 11140
I need Satories to make me happy
No. 11141
They wash off the taste of tar and acid
No. 11152
Why is she the best touhou?
No. 11158
>>11152
Not the best, but up there.

Wait, what’s all this then?
No. 11160
Oh shit, is that some Jay D?


Yes. Yes, it is.
No. 11161
>>11158
No man. Don't do it.

DON'T FUCKING DO IT MAN I'M TELLING YOU
No. 11166
>>11161
You don’t like JD?
No. 11175
>>11166
Whatever that unworldly abomination is called, no, I don't like it.
No. 11184
>>11175
You’re making my waifu sad.
No. 11192
>>11184
Oh, I see. I clicked away too fast to see it.

Isn't that like, the cheapest, worst whisky? That's what I heard.
No. 11196
I can't even look at JD without hearing long monologues about information control and war economies. Damn it.
No. 11206
>>11192
I’ve drank cheaper. And I’ve certainly drank worse.
No. 11283
>>11099
Obviously. This makes it easier to aim for its foul heart.
No. 11284
>>11283
Hey. Depth Bomb is crossing the line.
No. 11307
lol u tk her 2 da bar|?
No. 11316
>>11307
No. 11317
>>11316
Indeed.
No. 11466
I am confus.
No. 11467
Confus.
No. 11468
So confus.
No. 11480
Wouldn't you say it's time for a change of heart?
No. 11481
>>11480
My duty yet binds me.
No. 11482
>>11481
I think you should open your mind a bit. Don't be so rigid.
No. 11483
FOREHEAD
No. 11498
>>11482
I will complete this mission before I embark on another.
No. 11515
I’d squeeze her heart. Until she faints.
No. 11518
>>11515
But what to do once the beast has been rendered unconscious?
Would you deliver the coup de grâce right away, or wait? Bide your time?

Would you watch her, as she lay there, counting every breath as her chest rises and falls?
Perhaps, even place the monster's head in your lap, ensuring that when her eyes once again open, you will be the first and final thing she ever sees?
No. 11519
>>11483
Throughout the various Satori threads, I have seen horrible, nasty things. Satori getting tortured, Satori getting raped, Satori being even more of a twisted eye-monster than she usually is.

That image is the scariest, most hideous image I have seen so far.
No. 11520
>>11519
I don't follow.
No. 11522
>>11520
That FOREHEAD.

Oh God, that forehead.
No. 11523
>>11518
I'd probably rest her head in my lap, then kiss her full on the lips just before she wakes up.
The look on her face/in her eyes would be priceless.
No. 11526
>>11518
I would tie her up, sit her on a chair then myself sit right in front of her; and then I would wait till she wakes, and smile, and have her read all my thoughts, and never say a thing.

Then I would tear her heart’s veins with my hands in a few places and leave her to bleed out. Then burn the room.
No. 11527
>>11526
>>11518
Augh, stop it already. Both of you.
No. 11528
>>11527
Oh, I don’t think so, monster.
No. 11529
>>11528
No, I mean it. It's getting pretty damn old.
You're not going to kill Satori. There isn't going to be some great, human-controlled Gensokyo. It's not going to happen.
No. 11530
>>11529
We’ll see about that yet. Would you care for a wager?
No. 11531
>>11530
No. That would just give you an excuse to continue this.

...what kind of wager?
No. 11547
>>11531
How about... If you can prove human-dominated Gensokyo is an impossibility, I’ll write you all the Satori cuddling and kissing you can stomach?
No. 11548
>>11547
Gensokyo doesn't exist. All Gensokyos are an impossibility.
No. 11549
>>11547
>>11548
He's got you there!
How about 5000 words a day? That sound good?
No. 11550
>>11548
>>11549
PROVE IT, bitch nigga.
No. 11551
>>11550
Yukari maintains the great barrier. A human-dominated Gensokyo implies no Yukari (she wouldn't stand for it), which implies no maintenance of the barrier, which implies the collapse of Gensokyo.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum, motherfucker.
No. 11552
>>11551
Yukari doesn't maintain the Great Border. It's Reimu's job (hence the spell card system to avoid her dead). Yukari is merely moving borders between Gensokyo and other places (such as Hakugyoukourou, refer to PCB's Extra and Phantasm). Without Yukari, it would just be difficult to move from one place to another.
OWNED, LAUGHING OUT LOUD.
No. 11553
>>11551
>she wouldn't stand for it
Oh, I don’t reckon she has a choice. It’s either life at our pleasure inside Gensokyo or certain extinction without. Gensokyo exists for a reason, and that is to preserve the existence of youkai endangered by the (lack of belief in the) Outside world. They are at OUR mercy. What’s more, even that racialist youkai whore Byakuren admits the presence of humans is imperative to the continued existence of youkai.

WE hold all the cards, my friend.
No. 11554
I always imagined Yukari as taking care of incidents threatening the whole Gensokyo. For exemple, during Imperishable Night, the false Moon comes from the outside (sort of), and threaten the whole land.
In Subterranean Animism, the threat comes from the Underground this time, so it's still outside Gensokyo.

But most often, incidents are between Gensokyo residents, so she doesn't interfere (red mist incident, the U.F.O. flying around and stuff).
No. 11555
>>11553
We should just destroy Gensokyo. No need to keep it around. It has no importance to us.
No. 11558
>>11555
Gensokyo is the only way to obtain palladium.
No. 11559
>>11555
Yesss... You are a man’s man, my good fellow.
No. 11560
>>11553
>It’s either life at our pleasure inside Gensokyo or certain extinction without.
There are two choices. If they let Yukari live for whatever reason, she'd be constantly plotting to take Gensokyo back.
If they killed her, no more barrier - and yes, she does maintain it. Well, technically, Ran does, but what's the difference?
>This fox is merely making sure no untoward changes occur in Gensokyo, that the border experiences no degradation and performing other such checks.


She wouldn't just acquiesce, I don't believe. She's already repressed humans once, after all, I don't think she'd hesitate to do it again.
>Youkai Expansion Project
>The project refers to a plan designed and implemented by Yukari in order to restore power to the youkai of Gensokyo, who felt pressured by the increase in the human population
>The cleverness of the plan lies in allowing youkai to disappear in the outside world while permitting them to thrive within Gensokyo.
>As long as the outside world remains in the hands of the humans, Gensokyo will be ruled by the youkai.
No. 11561
If humans enslaved youkai, what sort of job would they force Satori into?
No. 11562
>>11560
That’s the thing. Youkai CAN’T exist without us. They may oppress us, try to control us, cull our population, but in the end, they DEPEND on us, on our faith, to continue existing. Yukari knows that, and believe me, unless she wished to effectively kill not only herself, but also the entire number of Gensokyo’s youkai, she would NOT dare do anything that would end in harm for those whose lives support her existence.

THEY are the endangered species, not us. They cannot touch us, not if they wish themselves to keep on living. Athough what life is one of a monster?

>>11561
Social and political espionage. Aternatively, patient communication and care in medicine fields.
No. 11563
>>11561
I'm not listening to you.
No. 11564
>>11562
>They cannot touch us
Sure they can. If they thought the human population was getting too out of control they'd probably do some trimming.
As long as humans aren't wiped out, it's all game.
No. 11565
>>11564
Well, they’re going to have to cut us down to the last if they want to stop us.

We shall never surrender.
No. 11571
On a side note.

Why is Koishi so sexual?
No. 11573
>>11571
Because people are seeing dicks in her spellcard and are interpretating it as a "I want to fuck" message.
Despite the fact that she's the cute and innocent little sister.
No. 11574
>>11562
>>Youkai CAN’T exist without us. They may oppress us, try to control us, cull our population, but in the end, they DEPEND on us, on our faith, to continue existing.

Human faith is what gods need to survive. Youkai need humans to not just believe in them, but to fear them to continue existing. If humans were to dominate them, what would there be left to fear? Nothing. It would be no different than if there ceased to be humans in Gensokyo altogether, or if Gensokyo itself ceased to be. It creates a situation where youkai can no longer survive, and their extinction is pretty much guaranteed.

The problem is, it would not end there. Without youkai, where does that leave all the other stuff in Gensokyo that only exists because the small number of people there continue to believe in it? If youkai, the primary reason there even is a Gensokyo no longer exist, how long do you suppose it would take for the same to happen to magic, or gods? Without youkai, Gensokyo will inevitably become indistinguishable from the outside world. People will no longer believe in or fear youkai because there is nothing left to fear. They will no longer believe in magic or gods because there is no longer any need for such things to protect them from the youkai. And what of Reimu? With no monsters left for her to fight, how long would it be before even the rare few who even acknowledge she even does anything cease to believe in her? Without no youkai to fight, what is to stop her from being reduced to just a lonely girl tending to a dilapidated old shrine in the middle of nowhere?

A human-dominated Gensokyo is an impossibility, because such a thing would inevitably lead to the extinction of the very things that make Gensokyo what it is.
No. 11575
This conflict already happened. Humanity only won, sorta, when they stopped acknowledging the youkai. Given how fanatically obsessed you are with them, none of you are capable of this.
If you try to take Gensokyo from Youkai, there are two possibilities. One, Gensokyo is destroyed, and everyone either gets torn to shreds by crazy inter-dimensional magic bullshit or ends up in the outside world with no knowledge of technology, science, or modern language.
Or two, the Youkai strike back, and Gensokyo goes back to the darkest days of the old youkai vs human conflict. Only this time, there is no possibility of an eventual human victory, as mentioned above.
The second is much, much more likely, but nobody, youkai or human, wants either of them. Except maybe you lunatics.
No. 11576
>>11574
>Youkai need humans to not just believe in them, but to fear them to continue existing.
You sure about that?
No. 11578
>>11576
>>You sure about that?

When Reimu herself basically says as much? Yeah. Pretty sure.
No. 11582
>>11574
>such a thing would inevitably lead to the extinction of the very things that make Gensokyo what it is.

That is the entire point of this ordeal. We want youkai gone.

>>11573
Funny, considering how she has a canonically childish personality. You’d think she wouldn’t know about the bees and the birds. I find Koishi hotter than Satori, though the latter is overall more interesting.
No. 11583
>>11582
I used the wrong word. I said "people". I shoulda said "25-years-old-freaks-obsessed-with-hentais".
When I watched said spellcard, I couldn't see the dicks. But I don't really believe in Freud, I'm mostly into Hartmann's theories, even if I like Freud's theory about the Id, the Ego and the Super-Ego (more for recreational use than serious study).
No. 11585
>>11578
I never got that. There's plenty of youkai in Touhou that people don't fear and aren't trying to scare people, yet I don't see them fading away or anything.

>>11582
Who is this "we" you keep mentioning?
You also realize that you're talking about destroying Gensokyo, right? We're clear on that, right?
No. 11586
>>11582
>>That is the entire point of this ordeal. We want youkai gone.

Be that as it may, it does not change the fact that such a thing would most likely mean that Gensokyo itself would cease to be, and humans can hardly dominate that which does not exist.

Thus, a "human-dominated Gensokyo" is ultimately an impossibility.
No. 11591
>>11574
>>11578
>Youkai need humans to not just believe in them, but to fear them to continue existing.
Muse continues to exist despite nobody encountering her even knowing what she is, much less fearing her, despite being a vampire, which is a type of youkai in this setting. Basically, Reimu's not telling the truth, whether she knows it or not.
No. 11593
Now I know where those HFY voters from Fever Dreams come from.

Well met, my brethren.
No. 11595
>>11591
Okay, I'm going to come right out and admit that I don't really know all that much about Seihou.
That said, what the hell does what is or is not true for that series have to do with anything in the current Touhou series?

I'm serious. Can you explain this, please?
No. 11596
>>11595
First, ZUN was of course involved in the production of the first two Seihou games, which included Kioh Gyoku, where Muse appeared.
You know how Gensokyo is sort of in a pocket-universe bubble connected to the outside world, and to Makai, Hell, Heaven, and a few other places? It's also connected to the Seihou world, which seems to be a parallel universe of sorts. It is possible for characters to pass between the Seihou world and Gensokyo. (Yuuka went to the Seihou world, while VIVIT traveled to Gensokyo.) So Touhou can be considered canon to Seihou, and vice versa.

I figure that we've only seen "youkai must have human fear to exist" from an in-character perspective (from Reimu and Akyu, mostly) in Touhou, while Seihou has an obvious counterexample even from an out-of-character perspective. If Seihou is taken as canon, then at least some youkai don't need human fear to exist.
No. 11600
>>11596
People still take Seihou as canon?

My God. It's like I'm in TvTropes again.
No. 11602
>>11596
>>First, ZUN was of course involved in the production of the first two Seihou games, which included Kioh Gyoku, where Muse appeared.

>>Yuuka went to the Seihou world, while VIVIT traveled to Gensokyo.

So, let me get this straight; your main reasons for claiming that there's a connection between Touhou as ZUN is writing it now, today, and this separate-yet-similar series by some dudes ZUN went to university with is because ZUN did the music and graphics for a couple of games ten years ago, and a couple of their characters made cameos in each others works.

Even without considering that this sounds like they were still in the PC-98 era when this was going on, and ZUN has apparently stated that the PC-98 Touhou games are not canon in relation to the Windows games, I would still say claiming that Seihou and Touhou are canon to each other is seriously stretching things.

Multi from To-Heart makes a cameo in Touhou, too, but would you seriously expect me to believe that Touhou and To-Heart are canon to each other? Of course not, because that was just a silly little thing done so you can point and say "Hey! It's that character from that thing! I am amused by that!" and to try to claim that as actual canon would be just plain stupid.

If you want to claim the "youkai attack humans, humans fear youkai" thing is wrong because the character saying it is biased, or is at least not completely reliable, that's perfectly fine. But to claim that it's wrong because ten years ago a game from a different series that ZUN didn't write the story for contradicts it? I'm sorry, but no. When the guy writing this stuff has gone on record as saying that a huge chunk of the stuff he has done in the past has nothing to do with what he's doing with his series now, you'll have to do a lot better (and a lot more current) to prove there's a definite link than a couple cameos and "he did the music and graphics for two of those other games".
No. 11603
>>11596
HEY HEY HEY THERE'S A MARISA IN UMINEKO, SO UMINEKO IS CANON TOO no wait that's stupid and illogical. Kinda like your post.
No. 11605
>>11602
>ZUN has apparently stated that the PC-98 Touhou games are not canon in relation to the Windows games

No he didn't. In fact, the manual of EoSD explicitly states that not a lot of time passed since the last game.
No. 11606
>>11596
>>11600
>>11602
>>11603

There's nothing that suggests that Seihou isn't canon either. In fact, the little story attached to Dichromatic Butterfly (Reimu's theme in Seihou) in Dolls in Pseudo Paradise suggests that VIVIT did meet Reimu and that Shuusou Gyoku's Extra stage is canon.

Don't just dismiss other people's suppositions as stupid and baseless just because you happen to disagree with it.
No. 11607
Also there's already a character (who is unshakably canon to Touhou) who has had no problems living in the modern outside world.
No. 11613
>>11606
>It suggests.
So in other words, you're interpretating it, am I right?
No. 11616
>>11613
That's right, it's my interpretation. You can't prove me wrong, and I can't prove it right, but it lends a bit of credence to the idea that Seihou may be canon to Touhou, so you can't say it's baseless.
No. 11619
You guya make me want to start a Touhou headcanon thread.
No. 11621
>>11616
>you can't say it's baseless
Since it's your interpretation, it IS baseless. Interpretation doesn't make proof. I cannot say that women are inferior because in the Holy Bible page X line whatever, there's a paragraph who says "And thus God took Adam's rib, and made Eve with it", and that I'm interpretating it as "lol and then Huge Fag remade hostel and opened Adam lol and used his rib to make eve so 1: eve is inferior to adam, 2: eve is a woman, 3: all women are inferior to men, and 4: god is a fucking sadist".

Interpretation cannot be used as basis for any reasoning, since it allows any fallacies.
Let's use another example. I have this book here. I open it, and read "it was a cloudy and stormy night, and the curtains were blue".
I can interpret the curtains' colours as being a reflection of the author's own depression, and support my argument by the fact that he described a storm just before describing the curtains. Basing my logic on that, I can say that the author is a fucking emo, and will probably finishes his story with the main character slicing his wrists in the bathtube.
Or I can also say that the author sucks, and is unable to describe a place properly without jumping from one subject to another.
No. 11627
>>11621
I don't think it's "baseless" when it's an interpretation that was clearly intended, though.

>It looks like some strange person has slipped through again. I'd better do something before she gets to the shrine... Oh, that girl... doesn't look like a human nor a youkai.

So from this we know the speaker is a shrine maiden (almost certainly Reimu.) She describes a visitor to her shrine as neither a human nor a youkai, who has slipped through (the border.) This story is attached to her boss theme in Shuusou Gyoku, in which she fights a visitor to the shrine who is neither a human nor a youkai, being an android who is from the outside world.

So clearly my interpretation is something that no one else would agree with, and not by any means what ZUN intended for me to come to a conclusion to.
No. 11644
>>11627
>So clearly my interpretation is something that no one else would agree with, and not by any means what ZUN intended for me to come to a conclusion to.

Exactly. Gensokyo's population isn't made of humans or youkais. There are some people between those two. I'm faily certain that hermits aren't youkais, that lunarians aren't really humans either.
Hell, maybe that text you talked about, "a visitor to the shrine who is neither a human nor a youkai", maybe it's referring to Rinnosuke, since he's a disgusting bastard.
No. 11649
>>11644
Hermits appear human and so do Lunarians. This is Reimu. She honestly couldn't tell the difference between Gods and Youkai in Mountain of Faith, and yet here, she, at a glance, is able to identify the visitor as being neither human nor a youkai, but something else completely. It's easy to see what ZUN was getting at here, considering the context, and to interpret it as anything else is being deliberately ignorant of what he intended, out of spite.

It's like going "NA NA NA NA YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT EVOLUTION EXISTS IT'S JUST A THEORY."
No. 11650
Human side:
1.Humans
2.Hermits
3.Celestials
4.Lunarians

Youkai side:
1.Youkai
2.Gods
3.Ghosts
4.Spirits
No. 11652
>>11649
You just have to bring evolution into this, don't you?
No. 11655
>>11652
It's just a matter of time before he reaches the Godwin point.
No. 11664
>>11655
Cyborg Hitler says Seihou is canon.

Are you going to disagree with Cyborg Hitler?

He has a fucking mecha. It is red. And it has lasers more infuriating than Shou's. He also has an army of robot maids at his beck and call. You do not want to disagree with Cyborg Hitler.
No. 11702
>>11605
>>No he didn't. In fact, the manual of EoSD explicitly states that not a lot of time passed since the last game.

Except that when he was directly asked about whether or not anything before EoSD was still canon, that is exactly what he says.

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/ZUN/ZUN%27s_reply_to_messages_on_the_former_Gensou_Bulletin_Board_3

>>Q: "Gensokyo" Has it been that from the new series (Embodiment of Scarlet Devil onwards) everything canon has been swept clean?

>>A: Please think of it that what is canon is fundamentally in the newest work's fine details. Fundamentally, before Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, the world view is the same, but to see those as having nothing canon and to enjoy works from now on is the way to go.


I don't know about you, but "what's canon is in the new stuff, and you should see the old stuff as having nothing to do with it" sound an awful lot like he's saying PC-98 Touhou is not canon to current Touhou.
No. 11716
>>11702
Except he never says the games before that are non-canon. He says for the fine details (details about the setting and all of that that hadn't been worked out before) you don't have to worry about prior works, but he never says the previous games never happened; Alice and Yuuka's dialogue imply just the opposite. Read between the lines, man.
No. 11718
>>11702

It's funny that you'd ignore the question directly below it that explicitly denies that the old games are non-canon.

>Q: "Gensokyo: Do the canon of the PC-98 games still live?"
>A: "Of course, there hasn't been a change. Just think of it like this: while it's not that there's no more to the canon than is spoken of in the games, only a small part of that setting actually becomes an issue in the games."
No. 11727
>>11718
I think he might be saying that the canon of the PC-98 games hasn't changed due to the windows games, not that they're both the same canon. It's worded pretty oddly though, so who knows?
No. 11731
>>11727
I disagree. I think it's more along the lines of:

[13:43] <%glasnost> so basically mima is still chillin' at hakurei shrine
[13:44] <%glasnost> but since she isn't causing trouble nobody ever mentions her in the games
[13:44] <%glasnost> is the message which i think is being conveyed here
No. 11745
>>11716
>>Except he never says the games before that are non-canon.

>>Fundamentally, before Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, the world view is the same, but to see those as having nothing canon and to enjoy works from now on is the way to go.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding something, but that sounds an awful lot like "the games before EoSD have nothing to do with anything from EoSD and onward". Even if the events of the games still happened, what difference does it make if they so little influence on what's going on now that you can completely ignore them?

In fact, you say he says that himself:

>>He says for the fine details (details about the setting and all of that that hadn't been worked out before) you don't have to worry about prior works,

Just so I'm clear on this, if someone like Reimu or whoever were to say something in a game/book/manga now that is intended to explain or flesh out something about the world and setting they're in now, you don't have to worry about what happened or was stated in the pre-Windows games?

If something said now is contradicts something from the PC-98 games, what should take precedence; what is being said now, or what was said during the period we've been told we can ignore?

I ask this, because this all winds back to my original point. If ZUN can say "you can ignore this stuff" in regards to his own work as it relates to Touhou now, both things that he is personally writing and overseeing, why should we not ignore whatever happened in separate series by a different group that he only worked on two games for?

How much the PC-98 games can or cannot be applied to the series as it is now is debatable, but as far as I can see there is no reason to believe there is any connection between Touhou and Seihou now, certainly not to the point that something from a decade-old game can be used to refute something a character said in a manga today.

But of course, I can say "there is no reason to believe Touhou and Seihou are canon to each other" until I'm blue in the face, and someone will come along and say something like:

>>11606
>>There's nothing that suggests that Seihou isn't canon either.

The thing is, if there was something that showed it was canon, you should be able to actually show it.
You can't claim you have a magical leprechaun living in the trunk of your car, and think it's good enough to say "well, there's nothing to prove I don't have one living in my car!"

What proof is there that Seihou is canon to Touhou now, to the point that you can claim something a character in the manga ZUN is currently writing is wrong because something from Seihou contradicts it? And I am talking current evidence, here. None of this "ZUN did the music and graphics for some games ten years ago" shit.
No. 11748
>>11745
>Perhaps I'm misunderstanding something, but that sounds an awful lot like "the games before EoSD have nothing to do with anything from EoSD and onward". Even if the events of the games still happened, what difference does it make if they so little influence on what's going on now that you can completely ignore them?

If it doesn't make a difference, why are you so adamant in believing that it's all non-canon? Like ZUN said, even if you ignore the PC-98 games, small parts of that setting will become relevant (Alice's familiarity with Reimu, Yuuka having caused some kind of incident in the past.)

>If something said now is contradicts something from the PC-98 games, what should take precedence; what is being said now, or what was said during the period we've been told we can ignore?

What information has Windows given us that contradicts something from the PC-98 games? Reimu is still a shrine maiden, Marisa still uses attacks from the PC-98 games, Alice still uses dolls in her attacks. The only information I can see contradicting PC-98's story is Alice's background as a human-turned-magician, which is only in an in-universe compendium and never once mentioned in any of her official profiles.

>What proof is there that Seihou is canon to Touhou now, to the point that you can claim something a character in the manga ZUN is currently writing is wrong because something from Seihou contradicts it? And I am talking current evidence, here. None of this "ZUN did the music and graphics for some games ten years ago" shit.

One of the story excerpts in Dolls in Pseudo Paradise references an event that happened in Shuusou Gyoku's Extra Stage.
No. 11749
>>11748
>>One of the story excerpts in Dolls in Pseudo Paradise references an event that happened in Shuusou Gyoku's Extra Stage.

>>Dolls in Pseudo Paradise
>>Released 2002-12-30

>>Shuusou Gyoku
>>Released Full: December, 2000

Did you miss the part where I said current evidence? Because a story excerpt from a CD put out ten years ago that references a game that was put out twelve years ago is not something I would consider "current".
No. 11750
>>11749
It was released after Embodiment of the Scarlet Devil. That should be "current" enough.
No. 11751
>>11749
Also it's nice that you completely ignore things that are concrete evidence, such as >>11718
and >>11607.
No. 11766
>>11745
>The thing is, if there was something that showed it was canon, you should be able to actually show it. You can't claim you have a magical leprechaun living in the trunk of your car, and think it's good enough to say "well, there's nothing to prove I don't have one living in my car!"
Right, because a magical leprechaun living in the trunk of my car is an extraordinary claim, so the burden of proof lies on me. Now, which claim do you think is more extraordinary: that these games that were published under the same series title in the same world featuring some of the same characters are related, or that ZUN decided to throw out everything except a few elements and start over completely?

Of course, the question of burden of proof only applies when there's no definitive evidence one way or the other, which is not the case here; ZUN explicitly stated that the PC-98 and Windows continuities are related, as quoted in >>11718.

If you're confused by the question quoted in >>11702, as >>11727 is, know that that's due to the shitty fucking translations that plague virtually all Touhou material translated before MoF or so. (Remember when everyone thought Sanae didn't know about Suwako?) The line is:

>基本的に、紅魔郷以前のものは、世界観は同じでも設定は無い物としてみた
>これ以降の作品が楽しめる様な気がします。
>Kihonteki ni, Koumakyou izen no mono ha, sekaikan ha onaji de mo settei ha nai mono to shite mita kata ga
>kore ikou no sakuhin ga tanoshimeru you na ki ga shimasu.

Here's the meaning of the bolded word:

>方 【かた; ほう】 (かた) (n,suf) (1) person; (2) way of doing; (ほう) (n-adv,n) side; direction; way; SP

The shit translation mistakes the meaning ZUN is using here to be the second one:

>Fundamentally, before Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, the world view is the same, but to see those as having nothing canon and to enjoy works from now on is the way to go.

The correct meaning, however, is the first one, resulting in this corrected translation:

>Fundamentally, I believe that those people who view the games before EoSD as having the same world setting, but not being canon, will also be able to enjoy the series.

You'll note that this translation meshes much better with his answer to the second question, where he explicitly confirms that PC-98 is still canon. All he's saying here is that people who started with EoSD should still have no problem enjoying the story behind the Touhou games.
No. 11770
>>11750
Not current enough if you expect me to accept "this thing so-and-so said is wrong because this game from ten years ago says otherwise".

I will openly admit that I know fuck-all about Seihou. I never even heard of this Muse character before this thread, and I am probably out of my depth in continuing this ridiculous argument. However, I cannot accept the notion that the series or anything from it is in any way relevant to what is or is not true in the Touhou series now, because I have yet to see anything to suggest that is the case.

If you could show me something, anything from Seihou that ZUN has referenced lately, say within the past two or three books or games, then I would be more inclined to agree that there could be a link. Hell, let's say within the past five years. Five years worth of games, books, manga, drunken napkin doodles, whatever. Is there anything, anything at all in that period of time that could show there is still some sort of link between the two?

It's one thing if there were links in the beginning, before the Windows era began to go into the direction it has gone, but a lot has happened in the past ten years. There have been a lot of games, a lot of new characters, and quite a lot of world-building that has occurred in this time. If you expect me to take this stuff from ten years ago, and accept it as if it were still pertinent to what I am seeing now, after all the things that have been added and changed, is it so much to ask that you show something that support the notion that it's relevant? Something to show that ZUN's idea of Gensokyo and the relationship between youkai and humans is still drawing at least some influence from this other series, even after all these years?


>>11751
I ignored one because, while it does support the "youkai don't need humans to fear them" argument, it has nothing to do with the "youkai don't need humans to fear them because Seihou" argument. I have no more problem with using Mamizou as an example of why Reimu is wrong any more than I do with claiming she's wrong because she is not an unbiased source of information. They are both, as far as I can tell, perfectly valid points, and if they had been brought up instead of all of this Seihou stuff, I would have nothing to say against it. But that's not what was brought up. What was brought up was a character from a game from a series that I had barely ever heard about

As for the point from >>11718

Frankly, as tired as I am getting of just this argument, I really don't care to delve any further into the PC-98/Windows issue, because a lot of the problem stems from ZUN's own half-assed attempt at reconciling his new Touhou series with his old Touhou series so he can bring one or two old characters if he wants, but can ignore the rest because fuck explaining shit like what Mima was doing when the shrine was demolished.
No. 11773
>>11770
"Seihou isn't canon because it was back in the PC-98 era and those aren't canon."

"Seihou isn't canon even though a story from a music CD released a year after EoSD references it because it was ten years ago."

Look, buddy, I'm not saying that it's rock solid that events in Seihou are canon to Touhou. All I'm saying is that the possibility exists and it's not as baseless and stupid as you made it out to be earlier in the thread. You don't need to get so worked up over it, alright?
No. 11774
>>11766
Thank you for clarifying that, that actually does make more sense, and I appreciate you taking the time to do this.

Something still bugs me about this whole issue, but I'm too tired to care anymore.
No. 11776
This is why I (mostly) keep my canon view of Touhou to myself.

>>11770
ZUN doesn't care about Mima. That's a fact.
No. 11777
This thread is the reason why I think ZUN should adopt Shigeru Miyamoto's approach to canon.