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2301 No. 2301
Only one guy bothered to write something for the christmas thread.
Good work guys, i am so proud of you all.

No. 2302
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2302
No need to thank us bro.
No. 2303
>>2301
Blame yourselves.

No sane person would put a lot of effort into writing something good when bullshit like "LET'S GET RETARDED" is going to get as much or more feedback from the audience.

And you wonder why anyone with a shred of talent who used to write here like Blankfag, HY or the guy who was writing Palingenesia figured out that they would be better off just writing for writing's sake...
No. 2304
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>HY
Didn't he just went nuts and ragequit?
>Blankfag
Same.

Where have the times gone when someone wrote just something for fun and others enjoyed it. HY may have been right with some points.
No. 2305
>>2304
>Didn't he just went nuts and ragequit?

More like they came to the realization that writing for people with no standards is like trying playing a harp to a cow.
No. 2307
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>>2305
You must probably be one of those guys who couldn't get their route or votes or are just frustrated because you couldn't find the high literature you were searching for here.

And you sure are helping improve the "quality" here. At least you are a minor amusement.
No. 2309
>>2303
People who look to make literary works of art might as well get lost. It's not like this site is meant to be a sort of archive of the most amazing fanfiction to have ever graced this side of the internet. The whole reason things like RETARDED even get a positive response is because people want to read some fun and/or interactive, not because they want to read a piece of shit.

tl;dr TRY TO HAVE FUN FAGGOT
No. 2310
>>2307
Cool ad hominem and reaction image, bro.

It's too bad that you can't be as critical when it comes to things that matter, like figuring out which stories merit participation and which ones don't.

>>2309
Cool misrepresentation of my position, bro.

I'll let you in on a little secret: nobody except YAF would come to a bottom of the barrel Touhou fanfiction site with the goal of turning out literary masterpieces. The people who write here because they want to feel appreciated. That's why when the readership defines 'fun and/or interactive' to mean 'stupid shit like RETARDED or the Falcon Story,' anybody with an intact frontal lobe would reach the conclusion that there's no point in making an effort for you.

To top it all off, none of acknowledge this. HY tells you that he's never writing for you again because people who can't distinguish decent stories from terrible stories aren't worth his time, and you write him off as being insane. What's so insane about that?
No. 2311
>>2310

Way to confuse me with the guy who mentioned HY. I doubt you'll even care since you have such a skill for being that way, but I'd like to say that if we wanted a truly RETARDED protagonist, you'd be top choice. That said, I'll let you alone to wallow in your own stupidity. Hope you have fun always thinking you're right.
No. 2312
>>2311
>I can't mount a real rebuttal, so I'll call you stupid and act like I won.
No. 2313
>>2301
It wasn't actually even a guy who wrote that, bro.

---

As one of the writers who have left a long while ago I think I'm a good position to know why a writer can decide it's not "worth putting the effort" and leave.
I can only speak for myself, but it simply seems Anon has very little interest and often check stories only once every few days and has been this way for very long. Although I admit it used to take me a few hours to complete an update, there is still room for two or three in a day. Yet there is always a few days of cooldown between the times I could actually write something.

tl;dr, personally I stopped writing at a point where readers seemed to not really care anymore.
Inb4 "Nobody cares because you're bad"
No. 2314
Oh look, it's this thread again.

Here, let me sum up the next 200 posts for you;

>varying statements on how a great deal of the new stories are terrible and receive attention despite this that ultimately result in continued ennui instead of actual response
>an equal amount of responses that ultimately sum up to 'OP IS/YOU ARE A FAGGOT"
>panic attack over newfags
>shitty /v/ level greentext faggotry, much like this post so far

I'm sure I missed quite a bit, but that sums it up well enough.

Personally, I agree with 2303/2310, but I'm also tired of these threads. You guys always get worked up, then always do nothing, and I really don't care anymore.
No. 2315
>>2313

We're slow, this is true, but so are you guys. It's not just stories that get low votes and discussion, it's ALL of you. Even stories with enormous amounts of attention seem to just go dark without warning.

Hint hint, guys. Status reports would be appreciated. Coming clean and saying 'shit I have no idea when it's coming' is also appreciated.
No. 2316
I was thinking of doing something but then I thought "why bother?"

Sorry.
No. 2317
>like figuring out which stories merit participation and which ones don't.
Let's all be so elitist and find which out which stories are worthy and not worthy of our attention. But hey, that kind of thinking was never a problem and will probably never lead to the sites closing down.
I just love guys who are all high and mighty and point fingers, thinking things are below them and everything is crap anyway because it does not meet some kind of standard. Where was that standard when WuiG started? Or MiG? Even what HY wrote in the beginning was not of such a high "standard" that you speak of and want.
I will tell you what happened between now and then. The fun is what disappeared. Writing Touhou fanfics is all about serious business now, no one can take it easy or enjoy anything anymore without taking it personal.

>YAF
Man, this guy was always here. And will always be here to prostitute himself for a vew votes just to get his dick stroken.
>bottom of the barrel Touhou fanfiction site
You must really not get around much, huh. Just making me wonder why you are here in the first place. Oh, probably to bitch and moan about how horrible everything is. Every site has someone like that.
>The people who write here because they want to feel appreciated.
Who does not do something selfish? But i would not say everyone does it just to get someone saying you are awesome or something. Some do it just becuase they like to write. OR enjoy it. But a concept like that is probably beyond you.
>stupid shit like
See. Things like that are exactly why we have these problems now. People with elitist thinking that label everything as too low for them, try not to read something new and just complain.
And yeah, trying to prove a point with HY is meaningless. He may not be insane but he was an asshole.

>>2313
This guy here knows the problems. But we talked that all to death anyway.
No. 2318
>>2317
>And yeah, trying to prove a point with HY is meaningless. He may not be insane but he was an asshole.

No, no, he was definitely insane.
No. 2320
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2320
I don't take kindly to insulting HY on my watch, but I will agree that he and many other 'good' (as subjective as the notion is) writers had a twisted idea of what the site is for. I, too, dislike the fact the 'lolomgsorandum xd' stories seem to be the most popular, but the reason is simple:

THEY ARE EASIER TO GET INTO, AND THEREFORE EASIER TO ENJOY.

It's the same thing as with the entire casual shovelware video gamebase. They're something you can sit down to, read, have a laugh or two, then go about your own business. Stories that require more careful reading, better knowledge of English vocabulary and dictionary, more thinking -- those stories are harder to enjoy and therefore will attract a smaller readerbase.

Is that wrong? From a psychological standpoint, it's perfectly normal. Sure, if you're looking to become an 'artist', a 'good' writer, you're going to feel offended that your 'talent' is not appreciated. But we are here to have fun. I, myself, am writing a story that's somewhat harder to enjoy (wordplay, references, somewhat more elusive plot), but I understand how things are, and I am PERFECTLY happy with my 5-6-7-people readerbase. Hear me, chaps? I love yas.

It's really nothing to feel aggrieved about. People who whinge about not having enough readers are just anally pained wannabees who don't grasp the concept of fun.

Once again, THP is not the place to have your 'talent' appreciated. It's not the place to learn the art of writing. It's not the place to become a professional writer. At which point, let me give you an actual protip: writing is an ungrateful job. It's time-consuming, hard to make a living of, completely random in terms of getting published, and full of dickwads that would whore out any bad piece of fiction on the slighest chance of profit.

Make FUN, chaps. Not WAR.

And chill.
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>>2320
Oh, and also, I write my story because I like writing it -- because I am having FUN writing. If I weren't enjoying the process of writing, making the characters interact, I wouldn't be god-damned writing at all. Moreover, having a small readerbase makes the interaction part feel more personal, and therefore more enjoyable for me. If I had 10-20-30 readers, growing epileptic trees out of every single sentence, and waging shipping wars on each other like Twilight fangirls, I'd probably fuck off very, very quickly; because that shit is not only retarded, it's demeaning for the story, the writer, and the other readers. Hint, hint, /th/ regulars. Nudge-fucking-nudge.
No. 2322
>>2320
Let's interpret this in the worst possible way.

You're saying: "THP is for fun".
Which means: "You can't write here just to improve."

But if THP isn't for beginning writer, doesn't that means it's useless to give advices to new writers and offer criticism to bad writers?

If I get it, the "ideal" way to be in THP is just reading your prefered story, without giving a fuck about the writer's style, about the story's quality, and shit.

Now, forgive me sir, but that's not what I saw. The falcon story was shot down merciless.

But what you're trying to say:
>It's the same thing as with the entire casual shovelware video gamebase. They're something you can sit down to, read, have a laugh or two, then go about your own business. Stories that require more careful reading, better knowledge of English vocabulary and dictionary, more thinking -- those stories are harder to enjoy and therefore will attract a smaller readerbase.

If I get it right, you're saying that whatever your story is, you'll have readers, and that you shouldn't whine about how many readers you have.
But, if you gain readers whatever your story is, does that means that improving your story is useless? I'm a bad person, but I'm constantly trying to improve myself.
Are you suggesting that writers shouldn't "get better"?


TL;DR: Is it really useless to keep trying?
No. 2323
>>2321
I also like writing stories.
But the more I'm writing here, the more I have the feeling I'm not writing for me anymore, but for the average Anon.

And I don't like this feeling.
No. 2325
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>>2322
I'm only saying that you shouldn't be using THP as your mean of improving. THP has little to offer in regards to actual useful constructive criticism (aside from those very few people who actually know two fucks about writing), its averaged taste is definitely NOT something your average publisher is looking for, and--as its userbase comes mostly from 4chan--it's erratic, unstable, and--at times--outright stupid.

I'm not saying you shouldn't improve. It's just that THP can only help you with the basest of basics, and barely anything beyond them. Sure, if you're a complete mediocrity with no knowledge of the intricacies of writing, THP can very well give you some hints. If you are seeking education beyond that, however, you'd be better off attending a writing class, trying to hook up with an editor to review your work, or going to an experienced writer's lecture and asking for advice (these are often held at cons, especially those aimed at fantasy fans).

>>2323
I have felt that as well. My advice is that you ought to put it on hiatus, go outside, meet some people, get pissed, do some sports, whatever -- let your thoughts of the story lay aside for a while. You will either come back with renewed strength -- or drop it completely -- which would mean that you weren't really meant to finish it. I drop projects and stories all the time (not on THP though), it's nothing to feel ashamed of.

And since I'm feeling generous, here's another protip: my works have often praised for realistic, believable and likeable characters and interaction, but the method behind it is very simple -- you must imagine your characters in random everyday situations, doing things--even outside of the story--and dealing with them in their own ways. In time, you will learn to (quite inadvertently) make your characters behave naturally -- and, you may develop an affection for them that might help you keep enjoying the process of writing. It works, and it works miracles, believe me.


Cheers.
No. 2326
>But the more I'm writing here, the more I have the feeling I'm not writing for me anymore, but for the average Anon.
>And I don't like this feeling.

From what i gather is that this is what most writer here feel. That Anon is too dumb to grasp the concept of the story or even produce something useful. You guys are searching for the perfect Anon with all the answers and comments all the time. Your writing is unappreciated because it is like throwing pearls before swine. Protip: I am sure you would be loved on fanfic.net, or other sites, and worshiped like gods.

This makes me wonder who the worse one here is. The Anon who is so horrible or the writers who think they are a gods gift for us here.

And cheers for writers who do not want to continue writing because they have only 5 people or so reading and want to get a lot more. Either you enjoy writing, or are willing to write here for the sake of it or you leave it and just leave. Same with the people who say this place is so horrible and still stay.
No. 2327
>>2313
>Anon has very little interest and often check stories only once every few days and has been this way for very long. Although I admit it used to take me a few hours to complete an update, there is still room for two or three in a day.

Two reasons this would happen:

1. The opening of your story was not compelling enough to gain the attention of many people. Sorry.

2. You used to have interested readers who saw you were updating quickly and would check back often, but then you left them hanging enough times that they stopped expecting fast updates and didn't check back as often.

The second problem has a very simple solution: communication. Tell the readers when you can't write, tell them when you can write, tell them when to expect fast updates and when to expect slow updates, tell them if you decide to drop the story completely. Be honest and follow through.
No. 2328
>>2320
>People who whinge about not having enough readers are just anally pained wannabees who don't grasp the concept of fun.

Pot calling the kettle black, YAF, you attention whore, you.
No. 2329
>>2328
Bite me.
No. 2331
>>2326

You can say we're horrible all you like, but do not imply fanfiction.net is better. The exact same type of situation happens all the time there, and if you think it's any different, you're deluding yourself. Replace thp with ff.net, replace Hat from border with Perfect Lionheart, same shit, different color. The community of 'reviewers' isn't any better; unless you want to replace zombie voting with 'omg so good' dick sucking that will still result in no criticism or assistance, or one helpful tip every blue moon, if you're lucky.

Being 'worshiped as gods' isn't what it's cracked up to be unless you really ARE nothing more than an attention whore. If you actually like to write and want to improve, worship is probably the last thing you need.
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2332
>>2331
>implying that THP is on the same level or worse than ff.net.
No. 2333
>>2330
I don't think you speak for anyone when it comes to what terms we are and aren't allowed to use. YAF was known to throw shitfits in the past over not getting enough votes, so I'd say it would be an accurate description of him, wouldn't you? Oh, and "shameless hypocrite" would work too.
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>>2330
>implying /b/ invented the phrase "attention whore"
No. 2336
>>2335
>implying /b/ ever invented something.
No. 2337
>>2333
Say that to my face and not online and see what happens.
No. 2338
>>2337
This is wrong in so many ways I don't even.

Just in case, 0/10.
No. 2340
>>2338
Quit being a fucktard then and stop trying to derail the thread with your douchebaggery.

Fucking morons. Haven't you learned a thing?
No. 2341
>>2340

Actually YAF, I'm >>2313 . You're sounding pretty pathetic right now, drop it before you make an even bigger fool out of yourself.
No. 2342
>>2327
Indeed as if you clearly explain things, problems will be largely avoided. That was actually a bad habit of HY's: He didn't communicate much about his intentions and as such, stuff like the fairy maid snafu ccurred.

I think that the reason why not many people wrote is a mix of laziness (I.e. most of the IRC-going writers), being busy, and "Not having the talent" to do so. Those that try to write are quite brave, seeing what happens to those that don't make the grade. This board is proof of that.
No. 2344
>>2341
Actually, you are the one making yourself look like an idiot - plus, you are a disgrace for having 'stopped writing at a point where readers seemed to not really care anymore'.
I find you and your attitude disgusting, and while I never even read your story (I don't even know which one it is, but if you dropped it and no lasting outrage ensued, it probably didn't matter in the slightest!), I feel sorry for your readers and everyone who ever went through the trouble of running an eye over your creations.

If you are writing solely for the attention the readers give you, you're doing it wrong - you're being an, and sorry for the expression, attention whore that isn't suited to be writing.

In fact, whining about your story dying due to lack of attention is the sickest form of fishing for sympathy I've seen in months.

Congratulations, you have effectively insured your winning of the 'moron of the month' award.

Now get the fuck out of my sight.
No. 2345
>>2344
0/10,

U Mad, though guy?
No. 2346
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2346
This thread's lookin' GOOD
No. 2347
>>2337
YAF? Is that really you? They said you left ages ago...
No. 2348
>>2342
I think that some people find this 'communication' a tad too bloggery for their *chan tastes. I, myself, I don't mind, and I do feel obliged to apologise and explain my circumstances when I'm not able to update (like Christmas! Bloody Christmas!), but I understand some people might find it inadequate.

>>2345
If it gives you more material to work on, I'm also >>2325 >>2321 and >>2320. I love me a good troll, but you're not doing very good at the moment, I fear. Give me something to pop a vein over, 'bro', I love that sensation.
No. 2349
>>2348
Nah, you received what you deserved, I have nothing to add to you. Also, I'm not your bro.
No. 2350
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>>2347
Look at my tripcode. What does it say? YIAN? Well, caw that, we don't need no overgrown chicken running about the place. What else does it say? YAfYk? Bother, that's not quite it, is it? Let's do forget the Yk, though, and look now. What's that? Do you see? It's the Y to the AF, the miko-loving slav.

How remarkable.
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>>2349
Well, that's a let-down. Here, maybe these Mokoutits will cheer you up. Everybody loves Mokoutits.
No. 2352
>>2348
I dunno, I think >>2340 already does a pretty good job at exhibiting the symptoms of an ailment commonly known as "asspain."
No. 2353
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>>2352
Say, turn this record over, you ain't heard nothing yet
No. 2354
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2354
Yaf what are you doing, stop trolling.
No. 2356
Ah, YAF. If only your writing could summon up as much emotion as your incompetence and lack of self-awareness inspires ridicule. Let's have a look back in time, shall we?

Compare
>>2320
>I don't take kindly to insulting HY on my watch
>>2344
>you are a disgrace for having 'stopped writing at a point where readers seemed to not really care anymore'
>If you are writing solely for the attention the readers give you, you're doing it wrong
>whining about your story dying due to lack of attention is the sickest form of fishing for sympathy I've seen in months

with

>>/others/19199
"Actually, there were more (two runs of ADP, PoG, one or two things in /sdm/), but no, what I loathe the most in HY is his lack of constraints from dropping a story on a whim (PoG), or simply because it wasn't going as he had wanted it to (ADP). It infuriates me, since he doesn't even bother to apologize, and yet has a throng of people following him everywhere - people he has deep up his anus. Not to mention him being acclaimed as the best writer on THP, while his narrative leaves MUCH to wish for, being flat and colourless as it is, feeling lifeless as degased coke. He's a native speaker, he's older than me - yet his style presents itself worse than the style of a self-taught, lazy Pole. How ridiculous is that?"

"Even when things are going down pathes I'd rather not take, I still do my best to finish the stories that stepped onto them. It was depressing, but I led Fukuzai all the way to her bitter end that you had prepared for her. It really was ruining - I didn't want to see her get hurt, I really didn't. Yet I couldn't do anything to avert the fate that met her. I didn't want Kane to become what he did - I thought people would know better than to let Reimu leave on her own and stumble upon an enraged bouger. Again, my overestimations and faith in Anon's reasoning led to writing a situation I had never intended to write. Why didn't I just deus-ex-machina the circumstances into something more favourable, then? Because it's despicable - to resort to such dirty tricks, not letting the story's world rule itself with its own principles. I let the worlds I create live on their own - not everything revolves around the protagonist, and there's a lot of things going on outside his ring of vision. Same goes for the characters - I let them be something more than just what the narrator/protagonist sees, and only hint at what lies beneath the visible and exhibited features. Keep the setting consistent, rather than resorting to wizard-did-it tactics even a fanfiction.net author could utilize.
So what if it is Touhou fanfiction? Why would that stop me from making it something more than just trifling around with characters we all masturbate to? Why wouldn't I make it something more than just 'you wake up in Gensokyo, make friends, have sex with half of them, flirt all the others, kill a couple of irrelevant NPCs, have a few drinks and die'? I have the skills, I have the potential, I have the ideas - why should I keep them restricted to the circle of trivial trifles and innocent playing, while what I could be doing are ambitious stories with consistent words, realistic characters and compelling plot?"

You are a tremendous faggot. Get the hell off our site and stop making an embarrassment of yourself, you goddamn backpedaling hypocrite.
No. 2357
>>2337
Oh boy, internet toughguy-ism. Haven't seen that in a while.

Why you so mad, faget?
No. 2359
Hope you enjoyed your christmas everyone...
No. 2360
>>2356
tl;dr
Make your point in less than six hundred words next time - that's one of the bases of good writing.
No. 2361
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>"Actually, there were more (two runs of ADP, PoG, one or two things in /sdm/), but no, what I loathe the most in HY is his lack of constraints from dropping a story on a whim (PoG), or simply because it wasn't going as he had wanted it to (ADP). It infuriates me, since he doesn't even bother to apologize, and yet has a throng of people following him everywhere - people he has deep up his anus. Not to mention him being acclaimed as the best writer on THP, while his narrative leaves MUCH to wish for, being flat and colourless as it is, feeling lifeless as degased coke. He's a native speaker, he's older than me - yet his style presents itself worse than the style of a self-taught, lazy Pole. How ridiculous is that?"
No. 2362
>>2360
Why must you troll like this, YAF? This is why I can never love you.
No. 2363
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>>2344
Please stay and write until the site will close down.
No. 2371
>>2360
You do realize that those walls of text were from you, right. I think you should apply your own advice to yourself.
No. 2372
>>2371
Now he has you by the balls, YAF.
No. 2373
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>>2371
I do realise, and indeed, I have. I will confess that the main purpose of that post was to agitate you—I sometimes can't help myself—but let me pose a conundrum to you here:

Have YOU applied MY advice to YOURSELF?

The difference between us, my dear conversant, is that I have improved, and still am improving, through various means, whilst most of you wanna-be 'writefags' that stain the internet with your presence persist in your self-pitying ignorance, your arrogance, your fruitless anger and audacity.

This is why many of the Old Guard writers still present on the site are still asshats - I'm looking at you, Teruyo. THIS is the reason for which /th/ and its coming-and-going, any-old-how-written stories have yet to see a sign of improvement.

Good Lord, this is exactly the reason for which /blue/ was created! It gives your strained emotions—strained by the agitation of being berated, unappreciated, or outright shunned by your audience—an outlet – a place where you can shitstorm your spite, resentment and jealousy out without crapping up the other boards.

My advice, dear conversant?

Look past your own arse and WRITE. I don't give half a broken dick if you don't get votes. Go back to your (dropped) story and see how you could have improved it. If you are certain that you could not, come up with another idea – one that will endear the readers to itself, one that will hold their sparse attention and minds. If even that is impossible, get immersed in another writer's creation, try to speculate, maybe make a genius write-in, or perhaps hook up with him on IRC and brainstorm together? We writers—who actually like to write—love to do that – it's not only FUN, it's also the best method of coming out of stumps.

Go out and WRITE. This is what we are here for. Hell, I don't hold any grudges towards nobody on the web—that would be silly—maybe you will change your mind and talk to me somewhere? Maybe I can help you improve? I've worked here and there, I might be able to aid you in your quest of writing?

Fat chance, I know. My offer still stands.

Either way, make LOVE, my dear conversant, not MERDE. ROCK the site. Do it for Mokoutits. Or Reimutits. Or whoever-you-like-tits. We all love Touhou – and that makes us brothers here, that brings us together, joins our causes. Do not break that bond.

Cheers,
the Yian Kut-Ku Fag
No. 2374
Oh, and please don't speak ill of HY if you do not know his circumstances.
No. 2375
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>>2374
Who the hell is HY?
No. 2376
>>2373
tl;dr

Make your point in less than four hundred words next time. That's one of the bases of good writing.
No. 2377
>>2376
It's your choice.
No. 2378
>>2375
He used to own the site. Then he went insane.
No. 2379
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2379
So, when exactly did this thread turn into YAF's magical hour?
No. 2380
The saddest thing about this is that YAF kind of sort of makes a point, but his manner is speech makes him look like such a faggot that no one will bother reading it.

That said, though, I can't tell who's trolling who anymore.
No. 2381
>>2380

Of, manner of speech, not is. Of all the times to lose my password.
No. 2382
Well, this is an eyesore.
No. 2383
Have a happy new year instead, everyone!
No. 2384
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>>2383
Year of the Rabbit thread!
No. 2407
One advantage of /blue/ is its ability to make the rest of THP seem tranquil.
No. 2411
>>2407
It's hard to avoid being tranquil when so few people post