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17777No. 17777
Because the current one has hit autosage, and I like making the threads.

Stories need more Kokoro. And the ones from TH14 (especially Sekibanki) but more Kokoro. Well? Get to it, then.
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>>No. 17778
Yes, massah.
>>No. 17779
>>17777
YAF posted a short recently with Kokoro in it. She isn't even the main focus
>>No. 17781
How come YAF is always mentioned in /blue/ at every corner.
I am not even mad but just curious. Does he run this joint here or what?
>>No. 17782
>>17781
He's learned and has more than one completed story, he's our god.
>>No. 17783
>>17777
No.
>>No. 17787
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>>17782
Teruyo spoke of the mythical finished stories; soon, those stories will be a reality, and we – their writers. No, better than writers... Gods.
>>No. 17805
>>17781

YAF is mentioned so much on /blue/ because he posts so much on /blue/, perhaps because on /blue/ it's not considered bad taste to post with your trip in random threads. YAF also likes to write two kinds of posts which are primed for generating response: walls of text, and vaguely-insulting vaguely-pompous sarcasm which can be taken a variety of ways by those who see it.

If he appears to "run this joint", it's possibly because no one has told him he can't. By that same token, perhaps he doesn't run this joint, because no one has told him he can, either. YAF only has as much power as we the people choose to give him, just like any other writer on this site. If you don't want to give him power, all you have to do is not respond.
>>No. 17806
>>17805
What if I don’t want to run this joint, huh? But you never thought of asking my opinion on the matter, did you. I am shocked, shocked by your overweening inconsideration.
>>No. 17808
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17808
>>17806
But do you want to blow this joint, at least?
>>No. 17809
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>>17805
But why doesn't YAF write stories about magical girls instead of writing walls of text that only serves to feed his ego and epeen?

I mean he could have finished dozen of threads about touhous getting loved.

THP is a slow site and it is getting worse. /blue/ is pretty much the only place with the most life in it. And i still fondly remember YAF for the Reimu he wrote.
>>No. 17810
>>17809
>/blue/ is pretty much the only place with the most life in it.

Except /th/.
>>No. 17811
>>17810
And /others/. /sdm/ for a 6 months or so had daily updates. /shrine/ is getting some life in it this summer as well.
>>No. 17812
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17812
>Deme promises lewd in /at/
>Writes the fade to black scene first
>Uses the exact same fucking adverb in the exact same paragraph, barely a sentence apart.

I am mad.
>>No. 17813
>>17812
THE WEAK CARES FOR SMUT. THE STRONG CARES FOR PLOT.
>>No. 17814
>>17809
>touhous getting loved
Which ones?
>>No. 17815
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17815
>>17814
>>No. 17817
>>17815
Monsters are for hunting, not for loving.
>>No. 17818
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>>17817
Yes, yes.
>>No. 17820
>>17809
THP is actually moving surprisingly quick right now. It's a good time to get some reading in. And a significant amount of the new stories are GOOD ones. When was the last time we had a shit writer that we dogpiled mercilessly on? It's been a while. Savor it.
>>No. 17822
>>17777

Give it time. They've only just come out.
>>No. 17823
>>17822
First we need stories focused on the TD cast before getting to the new characters. I know there's one fresh new thread at /shrine/, and that short from YAF, but come on, the Taoists definitely need more love than that.
>>No. 17830
>>17823
No forced love please.
>>No. 17831
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>>17812
>Uses the exact same fucking adverb in the exact same paragraph, barely a sentence apart.

I- I what!?
>>No. 17834
>>17823
Here's hoping newer characters have a chance.

>>17830
The problem with your statement is that the newer characters are at quite a disadvantage against the older ones, so a story that intentionally focus on them would give them a decent chance.
>>No. 17837
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17837
My prediction regarding the new characters is that only Mermaid will be neglected. The whole aquatic thing makes it hard to write situations for her.

Sekibanki and Kagerou should get a decent amount of attention. I happen to know a couple stories they will be appearing in and Sekibanki has already appeared in that /th/ highschool story.

As for Kokoro, I hope she gets a lot of love. Other than that YAF short, she's the protagonist of The Fifth Age. That's currently on page 2 of /others/. Hopefully the writer will get his shit together and update soon.
>>No. 17839
I want to rage about stories only having *insert Touhou here* as their selling point. So much for interesting plot and exciting conflicts.
>>No. 17840
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17840
>>17839
Nothing wrong with having a story dedicated to a specific character, so long as it's well written. And it's not as though a character focused story can't have an interesting plot.
An Alice story could feature the whole Makai thing or her desire to create artificial life.

A Yuyuko story could involve the actual ruling of the netherworld. Presumably she actually does something other than lounge around all day and eat.

A Nue story could involve gratuitous pranking or be about Nue trying to find her place and gain people's trust. Maybe it would even explore philosophical concepts like the self. The tone would depend on what portrayal of Nue the writer goes with.


Really though, it's not as though you can't have both kinds of story. And it isn't like every character story equates to a plot story not being written. A blend is nice, but you can find a fair few stories that are plot oriented rather than specifically character oriented. You just need to look around.

And if you really can't find what you want, write it yourself.
>>No. 17841
>>17840
>And if you really can't find what you want, write it yourself.

And then what? Re-read it after you write it and praise yourself for writing it?
>>No. 17842
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>>17841
You enjoy writing it. If you do well enough, someone will try something similar. Any forward motion is better than just complaining about it.
>>No. 17843
>>17841
Find joy in elaborating upon your headcanon and become enamored with the character further. Form an intricate bond between man and character, one that will forever be unique.
>>No. 17844
>>17839
honestly a simple slice of life story isn't too common, not with everyone trying to do the next great PLOT-ful hit.

That and seeing Touhous get romanced is a common interest among the board's residents.

>>17837
more like they'll be neglected in favor of an older one.
>>No. 17845
>>17843
>Find joy in elaborating upon your headcanon

Before you try to do this, especially when your headcanon isn't exactly popular, please make sure your writing skill is good enough first. You don't want your own headcanon to sink along with your story, do you?

If you don't have the confidence, just make a story with the usual popular fanon first. If it fails, no one will get harmed in the process.
>>No. 17846
>>17844
Except for the part where Sekibanki and Kokoro are already in stories and Kagerou will be appearing in one soon, rather than having to wait several years like UFO and TD casts.
>>No. 17847
>>17846
>appearing in stories
>Implying it's the same as a major role

What stories would those be? some short lived /th/ story?

I know about Kagero's bit apeparance in the MonTouhouMon story, but a bit role is not the same as a main one.
>>No. 17848
>>17847
Did you even read before posting? >>17837 already listed two stories. One on /th/ with Sekibanki and one on /others/ with Kokoro.
>>No. 17850
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>>17843
>Form an intricate bond between man and character, one that will forever be unique.
Well shit.

>>17848
>One on /th/ with Sekibanki
Which one would that be? I want to check it out.
>>No. 17851
>Sekibanki has already appeared in that /th/ highschool story.

Hey YAF, I'm tempted to post one of those "Read Mother Fucking Books" pictures and tell you to read the thread. But I'm almost certain you would just ignore me and laugh when I repeatedly check back for your response.
>>No. 17853
>>17851
You tellin’ me to read all the stories on /th/ until I find the one that’s a high school AU?
>>No. 17854
>>17853
Yes YAF, that is exactly what I'm saying.

It totally isn't Paper Football Days
>>No. 17855
>>17847
The voters in Paper Football Days seem intent on spending as much time with Sekibanki as possible.

Kokoro is the PROTAGONIST of The Fifth Age.

Now that you've mentioned it, I vaguely recall Kagerou appearing in Touhoumon, but that is not what I was referring to.
>>No. 17856
>>17854
Ah. That one. Already went ahead and tried that one some time ago. It didn’t exactly make me fall head over heels for it. The author seems to have gotten into his head the “flexibility” of the earliest THP stories. I won’t go to the effort of heading him off before things come to a head because I don’t want to appear like I’m head and shoulders above him, but I hope he doesn’t make his head spin with all the spasticity stories like it tend to head toward sooner or later. Well, on his head be it. The most I can do is shake my head.
>>No. 17857
>>17856
> head over heels
>gotten into his head
>effort of heading him off
>head and shoulders above him
>make his head spin
ETC.

DAMN IT YAF! You took most of the head related puns I wanted to use for Sekibanki! Don't let it go to your head though, I'll be back with a vengeance! Heads will roll by the time I'm done. I'll be the new head honcho here! I'm taking over /blue/ until you become the new head of the church of /blue/ and renounce your evil ways.
>>No. 17858
>>17857
I like where this is heading.
>>No. 17859
Prepare yourself for a head-to-head battle of mythical proportions! I hope you're ready YAF, I'll be one step ahead of you every step of the way.
>>No. 17860
Oh God, these post make my head hurt.
>>No. 17861
>>17860
Brace yourself Son, we're heading into uncharted territory and I will not stop until YAF concedes to my Pun-fu!
>>No. 17862
>>17861
Well, he is right. We might have been too heady.
>>No. 17863
Indeed...

I ran into this head first and only now do I realize my folly. We would be dragging innocents into our battle of heads. I propose a truce before we are put into headlocks.
>>No. 17864
>>17863
Yes. We have to put our heads together and come up with a better idea. We’d be out of our heads to carry on like this.
>>No. 17867
>>17855
>The voters in Paper Football Days seem intent on spending as much time with Sekibanki as possible.

I still don't think it'll last being a /TH/ highschool AU story. Though I wonder how many horseshoes the author of that needed to avoid having it crashed by other fan groups.
>>No. 17868
You guys are depleting my pool for Sekibanki puns too fast. Now I don't know what to write with her in the chance she appears in my story. Damn you all.
>>No. 17872
>>17868
You must not have a good head on your shoulders. Here's a heads up, just roll with. Besides, we could be making puns using the other characters, but I think I'll sparrow you the agony. Oops, that one Wriggled out.
>>No. 17873
>>17867
Apparently Futo's now a thing in that story too. First girl to give the protagonist the digits.
>>No. 17875
>>17872
Honestly I was going to move on to Wakasagihime next, but now that I think about it that might have blown him out of the water.
>>17873
Well then, it seems I am no longer needed. Time to get my relax on.
>>No. 17876
>>17875
That writefag has done what nobody else could. This is a grand day indeed.
>>No. 17879
>>17873
here's hoping things remain civil.
>>No. 17881
Reader apathy strikes again.
>>No. 17883
>>17881
What? Where? Details people, details.
>>No. 17888
>>17885
>>>/th/164210 had just one voter for the last 2 choices.

Uh, did you mean to link something else? Because I'm seeing more than two posts of votes for the last two updates of that thread. Quite a bit more than two, actually. Or do you mean to say all of those votes are the product of one single voter?
>>No. 17889
>>17883
Oh! It's a lot more mundane than I'm implying. There's a bunch of stories I'm following, but I haven't voted in a week. I procrastinate on voting until the author calls the votes. Can you believe that?

>>/th/170178 had just one voter for the last 2 choices.
>>/others/51316 had as few as 4 votes, and than 19 for when route options came up. Confirming old theorems.

>>17888 In my search for an example link to the /th/ board, I forgot to replace the digits. Facepalm.
>>No. 17890
>>17889
Well, the surge in votes because of routes is pretty much a given. But I still don't get why that one story on /th/ gets so little votes. Is it because the author is a newbie on this site or is it just the quality?
>>No. 17892
>>17890

I'm the author of that story, and I am a newbie on this site so I accept it that I will have to tide through a period of 'drought' before things liven up. No cause for concern.

I don't write as well as the likes of Keymaster or Deme or Glen, so it is no surprise that my story is not really voted on.

(Though I really feel sorta empty inside, but hey, trials of a writer.)
>>No. 17893
>>17892
Welcome to the club. Surviving through this and learning to not give a shit will bestow upon thee the powers of a god!
>>No. 17906
>>17893

As long as you stick around of course.

And if you manage to finish the story, you can tack a capital G to your godhood.
>>No. 17907
>>17890
Perceived quality for a mix of reasons. Some of them are: being on /th/, having an actual e-mail address in the e-mail field, and trying to reinvent the wheels known as EoSD and PCB.

>>17892
welcome to /th/, the most cluttered board. Had you written something more focused in one of the other boards, you'd have stood out more.
>>No. 17908
>>17907
>the most cluttered board
Then I shall repair that by starting my next story there. As /underground/ and /shrine/ before it, soon it will become known as “my” board and discourage everyone else from writing in it. Then we will have a peaceful /th/.

One man.

One solution.

This summer, Yandere Alice Fag is...

/Th/e New Old Messiah.

Coming to your friendly neighbourhood trendy indie theatre soon.
>>No. 17911
>>17908
Well, get to it, you wordy son of a bitch.
>>No. 17912
>>17908
So many references, I don't know what you are pointing to anymore.
>>No. 17913
>>17908
Too crazy.
>>No. 17914
>>17908
I'm reading a lot of talk but no story, YAF.
>>No. 17915
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17915
>>17914
That’s funny, because I’m reading a (short) story but not a lot of talk of it.

Ooh, oooh, can you feel it? Can you feel the burn?
>>No. 17917
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17917
>>17914
Just imagine him writing updates as long as his daily rants? Now imagine him doing this for months.

30+ Threads about Reimu doing lewd things.
>>No. 17918
>>17917
>30+ Threads about Reimu doing lewd things.
Disgusting.
>>No. 17920
>>17917
You make that sound as if that's a bad thing.
>>No. 17921
>>17917
I am very ok with this.
...what kind of lewd things?
>>No. 17922
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17922
>>17921

Applying deodorant.
>>No. 17923
>>17922
Sweet jeezus, man, put a NSFW tag on that kind of pic before posting!
>>No. 17924
>>17908
Do it faggot.
You won't. No balls. Chicken.
>>No. 17926
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17926
>>17924
>Chicken.
Oo. Ooo! You done it now, mate! You fuckin’ fucked it now! I’ll god damn write you a story! Just you pick who you want me to write about and whether it should be something new or a tie-in to something else; I’ll fuckin’ write it. Who’ll it be? Mokou, Reimu? I ain’t writing any more god damn Satori, so forget about that, you limp phantom prick. But I’ll fuckin’ write you a god damn story, just you wait. I’ll have you eat your words and down them with your hat.

DUKES fuckin’ UP, bitch.
>>No. 17927
>>17926
Less talking more writing about Reimu.
>>No. 17928
>>17927
i wanna read about reimu's childhood
>>No. 17929
>>17926
Mokou is best 2hou to write about.
>>No. 17930
>>17926
I'd be willing to go with anything just without everyone being snarky, that just cheapens the trait.
>>No. 17931
>>17926
If you're really going to do this, that Youmu and Futo thing would be nice. You already have that planned out, so it's convenient right?
>>No. 17932
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>>17926
You deny your pen its purpose.

Therefore. Reimu short. Original. TiTS quality or higher. Final Destination. Fox only.

Called you chicken YAF.
Prove. Me. Wrong. Amigo.
>>No. 17933
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17933
>>17932
My pen is a tool of wish-fulfilment!
>>No. 17934
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17934
>>17933
Hey hey YAF.
>>No. 17936
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>>17934
Absolutely disgusting. I love it.

So, I’m working on this story. The question is, dare I post it on /th/?

Dare I?
>>No. 17937
>>17936
Post it on the YAF board
>>No. 17939
>>17937
W—Which one of them?
>>No. 17940
>>17939
All of them.
>>No. 17941
>>17940
You ask the impossible! I—I’ll settle for /shrine/...
>>No. 17968
>and then it was a TS prequel

goddammit yaf
good show I suppose
>>No. 17969
>>17968
I troll to impress.

Wait, that don't rhyme.


It was fun to write, though I'm glad that it's over. Now read it again and spot all the foreshadowing.
>>No. 17970
>>17969
Are you suggesting that I've read This Shrine all the way through? Why would I ever do such a thing to myself?
>>No. 17972
>>17970
That's a fair point right there and I don't like it.
>>No. 17973
Godammit, if you're going to continue it, it'll cause a massive shit storm and be one of the best stories ever.

Actually, if you were to rewrite This Shrine, with a few years of writing experience and a different anonymous, I'm wondering how it would go. This Shrine: Rebuild of Reimu or something like that.
>>No. 17974
>>17973
> TS without Nanayanonymous

no sir I don't like it
>>No. 17975
Since Tsukihime is getting a remake (which will be relased alongside Hollow Ataraxia's english patch and Half Life 3) why don't you make a remake of that Tsukihime Story, too?
>>No. 17976
>>17973
>Rebuild of Reimu
Do you have the money? Do you have the technology? Because what I think that shit just won’t fly with today’s THP. This Shrine was a specific story of a specific time. I see few chances of that happening.

But, like I’ve stated elsewhere, I have nothing against dropping shorts or short stories every now and then. Writing for THP is a pleasant exercise, and the interactivity is a great motivator. So yes, while I’ve currently no solid ideas for anything 2-hu-related, if I get a hold of something, I will certainly consider writing it down. Something something Mokou? More Satori smut? Hahaha no. Naya cutting a hole in space and time and dragging his waifu along into the past where they meet Reimu’s mother? More Delenda Est scenes? Damned if I know. I’m just squeezing out bullshit here.

So, same deal as the last time. You have anything you’d like to see written, you toss it out here and I’ll give it some thought. Characters, things (including monsters), you name it. I’ll consider it.
>>No. 17977
>>17976
Have you ever thought about writing something that would prove a real challenge to you? Something that you have never written before? Something that is new grounds for you? Something that you would just shake your head and call witchcraft?

Tell us your weak point.
>>No. 17978
>>17977
Touhou space mecha
Hard Mode: No thread derailing by a drunk UBOA
>>No. 17979
>>17976
>Naya cutting a hole in space and time and dragging his waifu along into the past where they meet Reimu’s mother?

More Naya, More Reimu and We get to see YAF's Sendai? Sounds Great.

You have anything you’d like to see written, you toss it out here and I’ll give it some thought.

I want Satori & Garion's child visiting his/her grandparents by themselves

Alternatively,
> Miko Short
> Kokoro Short
> More SliderNaya shenanigans
> More hairy legs
>>No. 17980
>>17976
Less continuity wank and more original plot, pls.
>>No. 17981
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17981
What? Who? Who's a Waifu? Explain this!!
>>No. 17982
>>17980
This.
>>No. 17984
>You have anything you’d like to see written, you toss it out here and I’ll give it some thought.
Well I was gonna ask for more Beautiful Killing Chamber but then someone wrote this:
http://www.touhou-project.com/th/res/172257.html
This board is getting CURAZEH!

Anyway, if you're worried about TS not being adequate to today's THP I'm not sure how an ass-slapping mercenary would fare.
>>No. 17986
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17986
My god. Why is this not lawfully forbidden? This shit is killing me. [/aside]

>>17977
Well, I’ve never written a murder mystery. So logically I’ve no way of telling how bad of a job I’d make of it if I ever did. The thing is, I probably won’t because quite simply I don’t like the genre. Same why I’ve never written Byakuren or Remilia. I just don’t like them.
>>17978
You really want to lure out the FreeSpace fanboy in me, don’t you. Well, no dice. I’m still mourning the Galatea. You were my second home, old girl. ;____;
>>17980
Wanking and milking a story long after it’s done and over for cheap wish fulfilment? I? Surely you can’t be serious.
>>17979
I like how two of your ideas don’t even involve the Two-hoed-hus. Let’s try to cut the wanking down here.
>>17981
Well, when a Tom-hoo loves a faceless, anonymous MC very, very much...
>>17984
Meant more the velocity, involvement and mindset over all. Frankly that’s part of the reason why I’m squeamish about doing another full-length story. The payoff’s just not enough for the volume of commitment such a venture would require of me. Unless we are talking the neo-TeaHatParty update velocity of once-a-month, but then nobody wants that.
>>No. 17988
>Now read it again and spot all the foreshadowing.
Confirmation bias googles ON:

>“All love stories are tales of beginnings. When we talk about falling in love, we go to the beginning, to pinpoint the moment of freefall.”
The very first words are already a big hint about the true nature of the story.

>Then and there a pair of young women, who had chosen this day and hill to appreciate the long-standing tradition of sipping on hot water with leaves ground in and a pinch of sugar pinched in, chuckled right merrily.
Two women? Chuckling merrily? Like Ren and.. MERRY! Okay, I'm just messing around with this one.

>you will hardly speak with anyone who won’t either demand things of you or take with you the bashfully respectful tone rather than not. There is something to say for that. You’d be Hakurei Reimu.
>What are you getting into now? I chided myself, glaring over a rack of tomatoes; but there it was, the memory of my blood racing when he had first called me “missy.”
Well, Reimu was acting like this in TS. Just by talking to her like some other girl she fell for Shiki. I thought it was just weak storytelling at the time but I thought 'Hey, crushes happen' It seems she likes, in her own words, 'being talked down'

>Before I met my husband, I’d never fallen in love.
Well, she just said she has a husband. Big and obvious clue.

>“There is no love between me and Ran,” she continued. “You will not see her disobey me. You will not see her badmouth me. You will not see her argue with me. This is everything but family, where expressions of tenderness, critique, advice, are all taken with no grain of salt,
She longed for family, so that's why she took Red under her wing, despite his harsh attitude.

>“You had a husband?” If ever I had sounded like a startled girl, it was now. “You?”
>“Well, we didn’t wear bands or no such thing, if you must pry. Yes, I am Yukari Yakumo; but who-ever said I was not a woman?
Nanaya and Red's father. Duh.

>“You would like to know, would you not just? Yet you will have to do without that knowledge – you and everyone else. They were fun years, yes, but gone now. There are tasks at hand more important than basking in old memories. Tightening the border, for one...”
I'd like to direct you to Reimu's last sentences:
>Finding a husband before that life was out was a trifle in comparison with my other duties. Trifles could wait. Trifles were for later.
She's distancing herself from her past with the same excuse. Obviously Yukari still feels guilty about something (as it is shown in TS)

>“Why,” Yukari hmphed, “of course I snatched one of those men into a narrow alley, rolled him up into an accordion, and threatened to have him gelded if he doesn’t hazard his and your mother’s precious reputations and confess already.”
Did the same thing (and worse) during the second run of TS, where Nanaya didn't love Reimu.

>Sometimes, nothing happens. Sometimes, for all the things you do, all the choices you make, the world refuses to change.
THE FUTURE REFUSED TO NO WAIT WRONG REFERENCE.
>>No. 17989
>>14710
>>So, why do other Touhou sites have such a low opinion of us?

Unwarranted Elitism? Check.
Arrogance? Check.
Self-righteousness? Check.
Ignorance? Check.
Assholishness? Check.
Hatred of every other website/forum that exists? Check.
General Idiocy Run Amok? Check.
Hypocrisy? Check.
A fanbase overly fond of character shipping rather than good solid story telling? Check.
A long history of flamewars and insult matches over trivial shit? Check.
Rage Threads? Double Check.

Yep, I think it's obvious they hate/dislike/ignore/mock THP because of the hats. Just look at those frilly things.
>>No. 17990
>>17989
Oh man, you're in the right place. Because you sure are mad.
>>No. 17991
>>17989
>>14777

I'm sorry, but is there a point you're trying to make, or are you just copy-pasting a post from almost a year ago for shits and giggles? Because if it's the latter, then congratulations. You've mastered the art of copy and paste. I can't speak for anyone else, but I, for one, am very impressed. Good job, guy. You copy and paste those year-old posts. You copy-paste the fuck out of them.
>>No. 17992
>>17984
/th/ can have some crazy ideas, then again they're prone to being crazy bad.

>>17986
dunno once a month isn't bad if it's consistent and reliable. And it'd ensure everyone'd get a chance to vote.
>>No. 17993
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>>17992
>once a month isn't bad
They were right. This board is getting absolutely crazy.
>>No. 17994
Why has the Rage thread turned into a YAF thread?
>>No. 17995
>>17994
Does this frustrate you?
>>No. 17996
>>17995
YAF please go.
>>No. 17997
>>17994
Did you forget? The threads posted on /YAF/ in the first place
>>No. 17998
>>17993
better once a month than 4+ times a week leading to a burn out that kills the story.
>>No. 17999
>>17998
Anon does not have enough attention span to concentrate on a story that only updates once a month. You need a quick update pace to not forget what the hell is even going on. Once you aer not into the story anymore it will get hard, for the writer and the reader, to get into it again. A long update pause kills stories.
>>No. 18000
>>17999
I literally forgot what happened before they went to Yuyuko's house in AWiY. And I love that shit.
>>No. 18001
>>17999
>>17999

Idea of Alice had a reader-base even though the Updates were hella sporadic.

Then again he updated in walls and/or huge chunks at a time.
>>No. 18002
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>>18001
Alice is popular and the waifu of many. Try the same with, say, Seiga, and the results might differ greatly.
>>No. 18003
>>18000
How do you figuratively forget something?
>>No. 18004
Idea of Alice started out okay, but then it went from being a CYOA to a ff.net-caliber story. To make matters worse, the only form of interactivity with the readers was an "obligatory option" here or there that would be overruled by railroading within the following update. The drop in quality and random loss of interactiveness detracted me away from the story.

Not to mention half the characterizations were stupid. Flandre's characterization alone almost had me leave the story earlier then I actually ended up doing so.
>>No. 18005
>>18004
Out of pure, unmotivated curiosity – what characterisation was that?
>>No. 18006
>>18005
One of those "batshit-insane monster"-type Flandres. I can not stand such characterizations because it reduces her character to one of zero depth and personality. It's definitely something of a personal bias of mine.
>>No. 18007
>>18006
Although, if it's done in a dynamic way, I can still like such characterizations. It's just most people tend to drop all pretense of personality when they go the insane Flandre route.
>>No. 18008
>>17999
that's only if it goes all over the place and if hte updates lack meat to them. If people know an update will come every month, they'll remember.

People don't forget because of the wait, people forget because they don't know when the story would update again.
>>No. 18009
>Rec shit for YAF to write

Futo teaches sex-ed, with physical demonstration. In her archaic dialect.
>>No. 18011
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>>18009
You have no idea how tedious converting Present English to OE gets in the long run. Not to mention how obnoxious it is to read.

Kokoro with guns.
>>No. 18071
I want people who make persuasive arguments for positions I don't agree with to stop.
>>No. 18091
>>18071

1.) Screw you, I'll make persuasive arguments however I like.

2.) Welcome to the internet, where people like what you like, what you don't, and stuff you never heard of.
>>No. 18112
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18112
You came to the wrong Stage, motherfucker.
>>No. 18117
>>18112

You know what? Your right. I got lost and ended up with the weaklings.

Could you point me in the direction of the Extra Stages?
>>No. 18118
>>18117

Look at the balls on this one!
>>No. 18119
>>17998
Better four times a month than once a week leading to consistency that keeps readers reading. Wait...

>>17999
This man speaks the truth. It's even worse when a semi-consitent but slow story suddenly gets hung up with little explanation, like that Wriggle story in /forest/.

>>18008
>If people know an update will come every month, they'll remember. People don't forget because of the wait, people forget because they don't know when the story would update again.
BLUE in /sdm/.
>>No. 18130
>>18119
>Better four times a month than once a week leading to consistency that keeps readers reading. Wait...

Burning out is unrelated to votes, hell the stories I've seen it happen to were pretty popular before they fatally burned out. Keymaster's ability to update daily (if not more) and not burn out is an exception to the rule. Also when is once a week or so slow when many stories take a month or so to update?

>BLUE in /sdm/.
It had other issues besides update rates.
>>No. 18131
>>18004
>ff.net-caliber story
>implying THP is objectively better than FF.net

>>18004
>Not to mention half the characterizations were stupid. Flandre's characterization alone almost had me leave the story earlier then I actually ended up doing so.

Welcome to the club of "characters you like get bad characterization". Enjoy your stay.
>>No. 18133
>>18131
>>implying THP is objectively better than FF.net

>implying it isn't
>>No. 18134
>>18131
>>18133

Sturgeon's Law applied to ff.net's massive traffic of new fics makes it seem like there's nothing but shit in there. But we have our share of bad stories in here too, it's just that since there are far less stories than in ff.net, the bad ones get less noticed.
>>No. 18135
>>18134
Average Joe you mean.
>>No. 18137
>>18134
Agreed, most bad ones are passed off to obscurity while overhyping the very best and the "classics" (most of which did not age well by today's standards)
>>No. 18148
>>18134
>it's just that since there are far less stories than in ff.net

Wait, we have far more than 1000+ fics?
>>No. 18180
>>18148
>it's just that since there are far less stories than in ff.net
The sentence is correct.
>less stories than in

Agreed, stories here are only generally only recalled if they were good, famous, or infamous.
>>No. 18183
>Agreed, stories here are only generally only recalled if they were good, famous, or infamous.

Well, really, that's hardly exclusive to this site, or even this medium. You can say the exact same thing about movies, books, music, video games, or just about anything else. For each thing that is remembered, for better or worse, there are often dozens upon dozens of other similar things that had largely fallen into obscurity because they didn't stand out as much.
>>No. 18184
>>18180
>less stories than in
Damn, you're right. I think I phased out the "than" there.
>>No. 18224
How come /others/ is becoming more active than /th/ lately? What can we do to retain similar levels of activity in dead boards like /eientei/, /forest/ or /border/?
>>No. 18238
>>18224
because the matter of AU seems more appealing than vanilla gensokyo antics, that and /th/'s long been infamous for being cluttered and with a low average in both story quality and story survival.

The main way of getting more people into the neglected boards is to first break the loop /th/ has somehow then inform aspiring writers about the virtue of writing in them, starting with how it's easier to write than some winding /th/ story with things like SDM traps.
>>No. 18246
>>18238
>SDM traps
Shut up, Wiseman.
>>No. 18247
>>18224
Activity is nice, but does /others/ have quality on top of quantity?
>>No. 18250
>>18247

Keymaster, author of the well regarded "Being Meiling, has a story running on /others/.
>>No. 18252
>>18247
My greatest fear is that /others/ turns into a second /th/, but with AUs.
>>No. 18257
>>18252
Isn't that the point of /others/?
>>No. 18259
>>18257
As long as /others/ doesn't get something of the level of Gensokyo Cube...
>>No. 18261
Location-specific boards was always a silly idea. You want fans of specific touhous in your story? That's what OP pictures are for.
>>No. 18264
Then how would YOU have split the boards? You can't just vomit every story on the site onto a single one.
>>No. 18266
>>18264
I'm not the same anon, but an alternative way to split the boards would be by genre.
>>No. 18275
>>18261
it was sound in idea though some are always more popular than others, sometimes due to the famed stories in them.

>>18266
We'd still get cluttered boards and dead ones, just with far more confused people.
>>No. 18287
>>18264
Activity rate, managed by a helpful sufficiently advanced script.

Too active
Active
Sporadic
Hanging on by a thread
Graveyard
>>No. 18290
>>18287
Clicking through that last board would be extremely depressing.
>>No. 18293
>>18290
It would also be the largest board.
>>No. 18294
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>>18287
I'm not sure what value there is to be had in an organization system where it's possible for the things being organized to move around automatically, let alone how it would be any less silly than the current arrangement where the boards have at least some relation to the content of the stories they contain.

Besides, what criteria would you even use to determine whether a thread was "active" or "too active"? Or "sporadic"? Or "hanging by a thread". What does "too active" or "hanging by a thread" even mean in this context? What happens when threads hit their limit, and new ones have to be made? Do they gradually shift to the less active boards? What happens if someone wants to link to a post or update from a previous thread?

Most importantly, though: why would you want to organize the boards that way? Who would it even be useful to? I don't know about you, but if I wanted to look for a story to read, I would be more interested in what's actually in the story, not how active the threads are or aren't. I'd be thinking more along the lines of "I want to see some fucking Taoists" and not "I want to see some activity, but not TOO MUCH activity". Unless, of course, that activity involves some fucking Taoists. Or Taoists fucking. Either way, there's no such thing as "too much" of that.
>>No. 18295
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>>18287
>managed by a helpful sufficiently advanced script
I've got a candidate.
>>No. 18296
THP is pretty dead anyway. Clicking through all the boards costs like 1 minute.
>>No. 18298
>>18296
THP is dead for me.
>>No. 18300
This might probably have been posted before elsewhere, but I found this so useful I thought I'd share it anyway.

Here's a very accurate chart of all characters in the Touhou Windows series up to Ten Desires, classified in herds and bestiaries with all the canon information we have, and with all the relationships they have with one another.

Link because the file size is too big: http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1391542
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>>18004

I have no appetite for arguing about the story itself with you, that's your opinion. But can you specify exactly why you felt railroaded? That's new, and not a complaint that ever got brought up within any of the threads.
>>No. 18359
>>18358
It's been too long since I read the story to accurately recall the post(s) that constituted as railroading to me. I'm honestly sorry about that, since I know how valuable it is as the writer to know what people liked/disliked about your story.

In any case, I bid you a good day.
>>No. 18375
Jesus christ YAF, I just got done reading TSR and the abrupt end left more questions than answers after all that buildup. Why you gotta leave a man hanging like this?
>>No. 18376
>>18375
To be frank I don’t even remember at this point. Why were you reading that in the first place?

Man, this place has really gone dead, hasn’t it.
>>No. 18385
>>18376
>To be frank I don’t even remember at this point.
Curses. I wish I would've been there to grill you for information years ago.

>Why were you reading that in the first place?
Well, I read THIS SHRINE and some of the side stories because I've seen it been mentioned so often, and then I read TSR because it seemed to be a continuation or something.
>>No. 18386
>>18385
Shit, nigga. You done goofed. Cause I sure as hell ain’t reviving that.

Why aren’t you reading ongoing stories anyway? I’m not doing any at the moment, but there still should be some alive, right?

... Right?
>>No. 18387
GRRRRRGGGH.
I just woke up to find the collection of change I'd built up over the past few years was given to Coinstar. 83 bucks in spare change, gone!
God damn it I am SO ANGRY.
>>No. 18396
I want to rage about how I wasted an hour on Lunatic Red that I'll never get back. Now I am now really tired AND I ended up contracting cancer from the conversation over there.
>>No. 18397
>>18396
>Cancer

I'm going to rage about people using that word so loosely. I get so pissed when I see people use it as an insult or make jokes about it. Sure, this is the Internet, I should expect to be offended. But that is beyond most levels of insensitive, at least in my opinion. Just think about the people who've lost loved ones due to cancer before you use it in a joke or insult.
>>No. 18398
>>18397
Better or worse than "autism"?
>>No. 18400
>>18397
You're right, that was ignorant and insensitive of me. I apologize.
>>No. 18401
>>18397
You're too sensitive. And I fail to see how making a joke about cancer affect the people who had close ones die to that disease.
>>No. 18402
>>18401
I understand that I'm emotional, but tell me that again when you watch your father waste away because of it. I know I can't change people, but this is a rage thread for a reason.
>>No. 18405
>>18402
Both my father and my mother survived cancer. I can understand you being sensitive on the matter, but I wish you could get above it. Easier said than done though.
>>No. 18407
>>18405
If >>18402 finds the use of "cancer" insensitive, more power to them. In this world, there are social boundaries that exist, and I crossed one. As such, if anyone was in the wrong, it was me for using the word so senselessly, not >>18402 for feeling sensitive.
>>No. 18409
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18409
Psst. _______Cancer.
>>No. 18410
>>18409
>laughing elf man.jpg
>elf

That's Link, you fucking faggot fuck, do you have turtle cancer or something? Go be a retarded nigger somewhere else and make me a sandwich already, for fuck's sake.
>>No. 18527
So, how 'bout them cosplay porn threads?
>>No. 18534
>>18527

Ah man don't bring that here!
>>No. 18566
I want to rage about how we had both a thread for ideas to bring in more activity and a thread to get us a better name so that we show up in searches, but nothing happened from either of them because nobody knows how to follow through. Hey, maybe that's also why we have so many dead stories.
>>No. 18567
>>18566
I take it you missed the stories doing daily updates for all of November because they were challenged to do so and the fact that we show up third or fourth on searches for "Touhou Project.".
>>No. 18568
Tbh, it's better to improve things by trying to gain small increases in activity here and there rather than undertaking massive "projects" designed to miraculously fix everything. Those sorts of things likely wouldn't bring about their intended results anyway, and they certainly wouldn't result in anything more than maybe a temporary change if they did. Better to take things at a leisurely pace.
>>No. 18569
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18569
>>18568
>>No. 18572
>>18568
Uh, that's the attitude that got nothing done in the first place. Obviously it doesn't work very well.
>>No. 18573
>>18572
I think the more harmful attitude would be how people tend to be angry and quick to rip into whatever story isn't the gold standard. It's hard to get new people to write when it seems like only the 'elite' escape getting ripped into.
>>No. 18574
>>18572
No, the attitude that got nothing done was "AGAGAGA THE SITE'S DYING WHAT DO WE DO PANIC". Obviously, everyone would like an increase in activity, but approaching it as this massive, insurmountable systemic problem is likely a big part of why no one has any will to do anything. Why bother when you've got this huge spectre looming over you?

It's better to approach things on a very small scale. Better to have an easy to carry out plan that rouses a small part of the existing userbase than an overambitious one that manages to attract maybe a handful of new people who get run out in short order by the current users.
>>No. 18575
>>18574
>No, the attitude that got nothing done was "AGAGAGA THE SITE'S DYING WHAT DO WE DO PANIC"
I think it's a mixture of the two attitudes. Some people were frozen in panic, unable to help the problem, and others just "took it easy." Either way, nothing happened.

Small things to bring in activity are fine and dandy, but big projects also have their place. Believe it or not, tailoring the site to search engine optimization actually does work. I've been on sites that get the majority of their traffic from Google.

According to that poll we had (results here https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1TVhOsjYht499qsGhdHPRIP6xxi1veEtU7V-MmEyaK7c/viewanalytics), half of our traffic appears to be from TvTropes or 4chan. Only 22% is in the "other" category, and just how many of those do you think actually came from a search engine? Obviously our presence in Google is very small. The idea of getting us a name would actually assist in this, since I can't see the ever-generic "touhou project" actually assisting us.

Also, as has been pointed out by Anon many times in many threads before, this place isn't very newbie-friendly. For example, how come the board culture thread isn't in the rules or FAQ on the front page? We can't possibly expecting every new user to check the /gensokyo/ board on their first trip.
>>No. 18582
>>18575
Maybe it's not that we don't get that much google traffic, but we don't have rentention. Someone who came here with a story in mind from tvtropes is going to more likely stick around longer to have voted in that poll.
>>No. 18588
>>18575
>For example, how come the board culture thread isn't in the rules or FAQ on the front page? We can't possibly expecting every new user to check the /gensokyo/ board on their first trip.

Uh, dude? I'm not sure how long it's been there, but there's a link to the thread in that little bulleted list of stuff right under the various text-entry boxes at the top of this and every other page you can post on, here. You know, this stuff:

>First time posting? See our frontpage for site rules and FAQ
>Further overview of board culture in this thread.
>Supported file types are: GIF, GIF, JPG, JPG, PNG, PNG

Fair enough if they don't check /gensokyo/ and find the thread that way, but when a direct link to it is not only readily available, but placed in the once spot on the page you have to look at before you can actually post anything? I mean, I am literally looking at the link right now as I am typing this. It's not hidden. It's staring me right in the face. If a new visitor can't be bothered to at least see what that's about, then I don't think it's unfair to say that's mostly on them.
>>No. 18602
Why can't animals in Genoskyo be this cool???

http://wtfevolution.tumblr.com/
>>No. 18611
So are there any Touhou discussion sites left that aren't terrible? Any at all?
Present company excluded, of course.
>>No. 18616
>>18611
Any site can be passable if you're willing to just ignore a lot of things.
>>No. 18651
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18651
What is the point of using sage when voting on an active story? Is this a thing writers do to vote on someone Else's story without bumping it over theirs?

For christ sakes at least use nokosage.
>>No. 18652
>>18651
Does it really matter?
>>No. 18653
>>18651
>>18652
Possible other hijinks such as sneaking in a vote in hopes that someone doesn't post to make it a tie again.
>>No. 18654
>>18651
What's nokosage for?
>>No. 18655
Oh wow, so apparently we've been having people impersonating writefags these days.

I know it can happen but I don't think it'll actually happen since no one would be ballsy enough to spit on the real writefag's face like that.
>>No. 18656
>>18655
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. And people over 10 don't get their jimmies so easily rustled, to put in crude terms.
In addition, you can't go wrong with FREE UPDATES.

The only one who can speak up against that is the writefag itself. Or the readers if it sucks-that's every reader prerogative
>>No. 18657
>>18654
It's, obviously enough, noko+sage . You don't bump the thread but you stay on it.

It's exactly the same as sage for everyone but the poster. The person you're replying to probably included it as to flaunt his *chan knowledge, if you can even call it that.
>>No. 18658
>>18655
If one of the original authors doesn't want to continue the story, and expresses his wish to let the story die, then I think we should let the story die. Even if the impersonator does a good job imitating the original style, it is still not the original flavor. And then we have the matter that the other author is fine with the imitation. In that case this is just a matter of the two original authors discussing if they should allow the imposter to keep posting or not. Nothing we readers can do about.

And then there's the case of the other story at /others/, the one with Hourai, which also had another imposter writing without the original author's permission. But that thread is full of metastory clusterfuck, and the original author refuses to stop talking in character and isn't clear about what he/she/it wants. I honestly don't know what to think about that.
>>No. 18659
>>18656
>>18658
If I had been asked regarding that, I'd have been okay with it. As it was, however, I wasn't. I was not asked about someone else coming in, impersonating me/the other writer, regarding the story I put most of the work into. It is much like having someone say "hey I liked this story, just not the parts you wrote, so I'm not going to ask you about this because you're mostly irrelevant."

It's not a pleasant feeling.
>>No. 18660
>"hey I liked this story, just not the parts you wrote, so I'm not going to ask you about this because you're mostly irrelevant."
That's an incredibly twisted way of seeing things. I've thought about it, and I'd ask only one author as well, assuming that he'd arrange things with his partner.
Your ego should not be as fragile.

But that's enough posting from someone unrelated to this issue, I'd rather see this topic die.
>>No. 18661
>>18658
I think if an author lets a story lie dead for ages, they can't complain if someone comes along and picks it up. Sure, it's polite to ask them (which the continuator did try to do), and sure they're well within their rights to ask that a different name be used and the story be marked as a separate run, but to stop updating and act outraged when someone else does is ridiculous.

Also the author of the latter story actually did reply OOC(ish). They seemed relatively cool with the unannounced guest update, but pointed out using their name makes things even more confusing. Which they're right about.
>>No. 18662
>>18660
You're right, I've overreacted. Sorry.
>>No. 18663
>>18655
what cases by the way?
>>No. 18664
>>18660
>Your ego should not be as fragile.
We’re talking about writers.
>>No. 18666
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18666
>>18664
>>No. 18667
>>18664
>Your ego should not be as fragile.
>We’re talking about writers.

You do realize that includes you too, right?
>>No. 18668
>>18667
YAF is a self-hating faggot after all.
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>>18664
>>No. 18670
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>>18668
He didn't say anything that was of self-hate.
>>No. 18674
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18674
>>18667
Wait, what?!
>>No. 18677
>>18667
>writer
>YandereAliceFag
You best be joking. He's like a caricature of a writer. Or the before picture in a "how to write" ad. At best, he's a breathing manual of what not to do.

jks, love you yaf. Not gay.
>>No. 18678
>>18677
Aw yiss, brah. Love you too. Dick shake. No homo.
>>No. 18679
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>>18677
>>18678
>>No. 18695
Oh my god, that fucking King Dream or whatever the fuck story in /th/ is horrendous in every which way, and it's getting so many votes. I wanted to make a post telling him to at least pretend to proofread, but even if all the grammatical errors were fixed, it'd still read like shit. I don't think any amount of constructive criticism could fix it, even kids I'd known in junior high could write shit more coherent than that garbage.

I don't think I'm ever looking at the new stories in /th/ again, else I'll have an aneurysm
>>No. 18697
>>18695
Blah blah blah no fun allowed blah blah blah site is dying blah blah blah hide it if it bothers you blah blah blah
>>No. 18699
>>18695

The King Dream Story is passable. I'm more baffled about that GENSOKYO CUBE story reappearing out of nowhere. I thought it had died for good.
>>No. 18700
I found myself very frustrated with Keymaster's latest work. I left it like six threads in because of the blatant character personality manipulation, and the retconning to make Aya seem worse than she was established as, when half the readers didn't follow the logic of "She was being pretty creepy --> Burn her fucking house down"

I feel like I am and was alone in this. Anyone out there having the rage?
>>No. 18701
>>18700

I still like the story, its just that I am baffled by those voters aswell. A lot of the votes in Being Meiling were for burn the house down and suddenly people act like gosh, we might have overreacted , how horrible.

And yeah, it seemed like Keymaster pulled a tragic backstory outta his wizardhat to get people to shut up about it. In my opinion he should have just ignored it, if people vote for stupid shit they have to deal with what comes after.

I wouldnt say rage, just mild dissapointment.
>>No. 18702
>>18700
>>18701
I'm with you too. I know there are at least two different sides for every incident, but come on, that tragic backstory about the elders being massive dickheads came out of nowhere.
>>No. 18703
>>18701

No, no, no. You are talking bullshit sir. I went and checked, the vote prior to Aya's house being burnt down was as follows:
[X] Get assistance from her colleague, Momiji, and search her house for evidence. Let the tengu deal with this blight on their honor.
[X] In the meantime, let anyone that wants to give her a piece of their mind at it. Just don't let them kill her.

So if you feel like the house being burnt down was an overreaction, remember, it was the author who did that. The voters had no knowledge that that would be the result of their votes. Granted, I didn't see many raised eyebrows about it at the time.

But that's what made me so frustrated with it. A good amount of people, when faced with the actual consequences of the house being burned down actually didn't think it was appropriate. And as the storm swelled, he ended up manipulating her personality and changing the actual events to make it seem not so bad.
>>No. 18714
>>18703

Ok then, it was the Author, but still that doesnt explain the sudden guilttrip he tried to send people on.
>>No. 18722
>>18714
Yeah. That one felt like it came out of nowhere.
>>No. 18725
>>18695
it's /th/, where the bulk of the people there accept bad stories as it's all they've ever read. They're the same people who won't bother to read other boards.

There's two common traits of /th/ stories:
-Questionable or worst quality
and/or
-being short lived.

>>18702
Indeed, it's hard not to see the attempt at making Aya seem less bad after the complete character butchery he did of her (something some readers made clear during "Being Meiling's" run).
>>No. 18726
>>18725
Yeah, that's what turned me off the Aya story. Not to mention the time where meiling said "Yeah, I considered killing you" and Aya's response was basically "I would have deserved it! Bwaaahhh"
>>No. 18727
>>18695
Indeed it's shit created by a lazy writer with too much time in his hands. A single joke that went out of control because a lot of bored people actually like it.

I would know. I wrote that shit.
>>No. 18728
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18728
>>18700
>>18701
>>18702
>>18722
>>18726

You people are colossal morons and you should probably kill yourselves.

Now that I've established the tone for a perfectly calm and rational conversational exchange, let me get into specifics.

>>18700
>when half the readers didn't follow the logic of "She was being pretty creepy --> Burn her fucking house down"

"Pretty creepy?" Why don't we re-phrase in terms with more contextual impact: "Aya was arrested on charges of stalking, trespassing, sexual misconduct involving a minor, and the creation of child pornography." Do you have a little sister? I do. And if I found some guy in the bushes outside my home, snapping photos of her as she undressed (as Aya did to Cirno) I would beat that motherfucker to within an inch of his life. Burn his house down? I'd burn his house down in a heartbeat and he'd be lucky if he wasn't in it when I did. (Which is why fuckers like >>18700 baffle me; all the "retcons" involved are to make Aya look better, not worse.) Which leads to this:

>>18726
>Not to mention the time where meiling said "Yeah, I considered killing you" and Aya's response was basically "I would have deserved it! Bwaaahhh"

The entire point of the encounter with Meiling was to drive home the above point, both to the reader and to Aya as a character - she'd become something others viewed as a deviant threat to people they loved dearly. This was especially needed because immediately prior, the opposite side of the story - the harshness of the act of arson, and the betrayal implicit between Momiji and Aya - had already been covered.

>>18703
>But that's what made me so frustrated with it. A good amount of people, when faced with the actual consequences of the house being burned down actually didn't think it was appropriate. And as the storm swelled, he ended up manipulating her personality and changing the actual events to make it seem not so bad.

>manipulating her personality

What in the actual fuck are you babbling about? Who said it wasn't bad? Who said Meiling was in the right? Meiling had her reasons, yes, and Aya had quite a shock when she realized how her actions made people view her. But Meiling also issued a very casual death threat to the face of an extremely dangerous swordsman - a swordsman once on the short-list for commanding general of the Tengu people. In Gensokyo that's the equivalent of walking into an Old West bar and strolling up to some random fucker and threatening them to their face - and you've left your guns at home. That's brash at best and foolish at worst, but for better or worse, that's who Meiling is. That doesn't have fuck-all to do with her actions being right or wrong or purple - that' s a subjective judgement each reader has to make.

These are all characters with their own personalities and purview and lives outside the scope of the story and they act accordingly. To interpret things as "manipulating her personality and changing the actual events to make it seem not so bad" requires you to have a completely different worldview, one where there is only ONE CLEARLY OBJECTIVE TRUTH so clearly the author must be re-arranging things to keep his waifu positioned atop the Moral High Ground.

>>18702
>>18701
>backstory
>out of nowhere

Aya's backstory is the core of the entire fucking story. He's following up a slapstick comedy story where Aya was deliberately flanderized to hell and fucking gone with a much more serious character-driven piece with Aya as the central character. For this lead character to be sympathetic at all requires her to, you know, not actually be a disgusting hateful pedophile born. Which leads nicely into Aya having to deal with her personal issues, which is one of the classic core plots, Man vs. Self.

And here YOU fuckers are, blathering about how it was all pulled out of his ass at the last second to justify his waifu's actions. Yes, he's doing that to justify Meiling's actions when he's the one that explicitly spelled out the trauma and pain inflicted upon Aya by the arson in the first place.

I hate you all so much.
>>No. 18729
>>18728
First of all, YESSS, this is what I came here for!

> "Aya was arrested on charges of stalking, trespassing, sexual misconduct involving a minor, and the creation of child pornography."

The entire second half of that is not true. The only time that it was mentioned that she had shots that could be considered CP was in an author's note in Tengu of Misfortune, and she had no "Sexual conduct" towards her until she had said in ToM that she masturbated to the pictures, which was after the shitstorm about her house being burnt down, which comes across as Keymaster going "What? You don't think she deserved it? Well.. What if she had naked pictures? Still no? What if she MASTURBATED to them?!" Trying to convince the audience that she deserved it, when she was never set up to deserve it.

>Saying the scene meeting meiling was nessecary opposite the scene with Aya and Momiji
True! Meiling did not know at the time that Aya didn't have any actual predatory feelings, so she may have felt justified in that, however many readers hoped that after learning of how Aya just had an unhealthy obsession, not nessecarily a sexual one, that she would back down and maybe feel a bit of guilt for burning her house down, not just come back and say "Eh, I did you a favor. You even deserved to die."

>What in the actual fuck are you babbling about? Who said it wasn't bad? Who said Meiling was in the right?

Who said Meiling was in the right? AYA DID. She ended up agreeing that she could be seen as deserving death, and, as for the idea of KM reworking things to "Keep his waifu on the moral high ground", what about the scene where Momiji just shows up with a case of her stuff that she apparently saved before burning down the house? That came RIGHT out of his ass! Nowhere was anything like that hinted in Being Meiling, and in addition, if Momiji had time to go collect key things from the house before burning it, Why the fuck not just take the offending pictures down and burn those instead of burning down a house holding centuries of history for a person? He wrote himself into a corner in the comedy story, Being Meiling, and now had to clumsily cover his ass to make Meiling not look psycho while at the same time not making Momiji look terrible. Its Authorial gymnastics. THAT'S the retconning, and Aya admitting to masturbating to the photos is one part of her personality manipulation. Its not that its inconsistent in fanon, who gives a shit about that, its that it's inconsistent IN THE STORY.

>Aya's backstory is the core of the entire fucking story. He's following up a slapstick comedy story where Aya was deliberately flanderized to hell and fucking gone with a much more serious character-driven piece with Aya as the central character.
Which is exactly what he shouldn't have done. He's trying to canonically follow a piece where it was so fucking goofy that they may as well have been cartoon characters with a serious story in the same setting, then trying to justify the cartoony actions. It rings insincere is the point.

>I hate you all so much.

Hate you too, fucker, don't forget to write~<3
>>No. 18730
>>18729
This, so much. Get gud >>18728
>>No. 18731
Too many people to bother with trying to single anyone out, but have any of you, ya know, brought this up to him personally? He gets on the IRC every so often. It's a shit fest here because this is what the thread is for and I thank you for not ruining his story with this. I like Keymaster as a person and a writer. I've read all three of his stories and not once did I think that any of this was "Pulled out of his ass". Sure, BM was goofy but it was serious at times too, even if they quickly turned silly again. PM started off rather light, but quickly turned into something dark. ToM? It's trying to take elements of both. Being Meiling and Pleasant Meadows. ToM wants to be fun and enjoyable, but at the same time you are reading a redemption story so it's not going to be all sunshine and rainbows.

That said, I don't care for everything Key did. The DyCirno arcs bored me, I felt he made certain characters more appealing in Pleasant Meadows, and I do feel he backpeddled a little in Tengu of Misfortune.

But you guys seem to forget, this is MAGICAL GIRL FANFICTION! Seriously, take it easy. If you don't like it you don't have to get pissy with it. If you do and you see people bashing it, defend it CALMLY. Don't say you hate them, don't call them names, DO NOT STOOP TO THEIR LEVEL!
>>No. 18732
>>18731

Well, as the writer of >>18729 I will say that no, I wouldn't dare bring this to his thread. Its just impolite, and it would make people think that I just baseline hate his work. I don't. This is the thread for it, and I love it for that.

And though it doesn't seem targeted at me, I say I was pretty clean in my defense of my complaints.
>>No. 18733
>>18729

I don't really want to get involved in this but..

>comes across as Keymaster going "What? You don't think she deserved it? Well.. What if she had naked pictures

A quote from Being Meiling.

>Cirno everywhere. Cirno in armor. Cirno out of armor. Cirno with friends. Cirno alone. Cirno in various outfits, and without


>Aya didn't have any actual predatory feelings

Cirno said that Aya tried to "hug" her, so I'm not so sure.

>Cirno makes a face. "I don't like her. She always looks at me funny.One time she tried to hug me, or something."

The way I see things, we should probably see Being Meiling and Tengu of Misfortune as similar but seperate timelines. Treat it kind of like the old world of darkness's different splatlines which technically take place in the same world, but have a lot of inconsistencies with each other. But that's probably just me. I didn't really like Being Meiling, but I do like Tengu of Misfortune. This is kinda the way I justify it to myself.
>>No. 18740
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18740
Since when did the Tea Hat Party have a conscience? I remember when we disembowelled Yuuka and masturbated to it while a Reimu-made-house-pet watched.

You negroes oughta grow some skin. And balls. And tomatoes, because they’re good for you.
>>No. 18744
>>18740
> I remember when we disembowelled Yuuka and masturbated to it while a Reimu-made-house-pet watched.

Wasn't that you who wrote that?
>>No. 18745
I enjoyed Pleasant Meadows for like the first half and for the characterization of the girls.

But I kinda dislike how he set up the main person behind the event. I don't know how to hid e spoilers, so I'll just say the choice was odd but could have worked if the set up was done a little better.
>>No. 18746
>I still like the story, its just that I am baffled by those voters aswell. A lot of the votes in Being Meiling were for burn the house down and suddenly people act like gosh, we might have overreacted , how horrible.
I don't see any problem with this to be honest. Are you mad because they changed their mind? That's a sign of maturity (changing, not getting angry about silly things)

>>18729
>The entire second half of that is not true. The only time that it was mentioned that she had shots that could be considered CP was in an author's note in Tengu of Misfortune
Wrong.
>many readers hoped that after learning of how Aya just had an unhealthy obsession, not nessecarily a sexual one, that she would back down and maybe feel a bit of guilt for burning her house down, not just come back and say "Eh, I did you a favor. You even deserved to die."
Correct, I was one of them. The fact that every one of us (that includes you of course) thought it was ok at the time and only thought it was wrong after seeing the other side speaks VOLUMES about what kind of people we are (hint: emotionally immature manchildren)
>Who said Meiling was in the right? AYA DID. She ended up agreeing that she could be seen as deserving death,
Right in 'protect their friends' not right in 'morally justified' If you killed a guy because he was mugging your girl-no, your mother, you would be justified in killing her, but you'd still be condemned for your overreaction. Get it?
>and, as for the idea of KM reworking things to "Keep his waifu on the moral high ground", what about the scene where Momiji just shows up with a case of her stuff that she apparently saved before burning down the house? That came RIGHT out of his ass! Nowhere was anything like that hinted in Being Meiling, and in addition, if Momiji had time to go collect key things from the house before burning it, Why the fuck not just take the offending pictures down and burn those instead of burning down a house holding centuries of history for a person? He wrote himself into a corner in the comedy story, Being Meiling, and now had to clumsily cover his ass to make Meiling not look psycho while at the same time not making Momiji look terrible. Its Authorial gymnastics. THAT'S the retconning, and Aya admitting to masturbating to the photos is one part of her personality manipulation. Its not that its inconsistent in fanon, who gives a shit about that, its that it's inconsistent IN THE STORY.
Jesus what a clusterfuck. I hope you never write a story here.
Anyway, if the first half of this was supposed to justify the second, then you're not making any sense.

-Momiiji taking things out of the house isn't a retcon.
-Momiji's actions are still terrible.
-Meiling was justified (see previous part)

So, if I get this right, you're angry because the story didn't go where you wanted and now you can't shut up about 'inconsistencies'. There are a few, yes, but nothing of what you said is one.

As a side note, I really appreciate the take on Aya's flanderization.

>>18740
You forgot the story where Cirno impales Yuuka with an icicle after she rapes her with her umbrella.
>>No. 18760
>>18746

>The fact that every one of us (that includes you of course) thought it was ok at the time and only thought it was wrong after seeing the other side speaks VOLUMES about what kind of people we are

Oh who said you could speak for me? Its the difference between that happening in a cartoon setting versus a setting that is trying to be taken seriously. You ever think that Jerry goes overboard when reacting to Tom, and blowing him up with dynamite, bashing his head with mallets? No? Now what if the same actions were said to have taken place in a serious story? You'd take that a lot more seriously. Its a difference in setting and storytelling style that makes it hard to accept.

>Wrong.
Just gonna throw the "WRONG" stamp on there and not provide me any evidence? Cool, cool.

>-Momiiji taking things out of the house isn't a retcon.
Using the dictionary definition of "retcon", you may be right here. It isn't altering established facts to say she saved things from the house, it just doesn't make sense. Funny how we were never informed that she saved any of the stuff from the house until after she'd gotten verbally torn up about it. Almost makes it seem like it... came out of nowhere!

>-Momiji's actions are still terrible.
True, her actions are still terrible, but the case of Aya's stuff that came out of nowhere was only invented to make it easier for Aya to forgive her, yet it just serves to make the house burning down scene make LESS sense, since as stated before, why didn't she just burn the pictures.

If you're having further trouble understanding why that sits so ill with me, let me spell it out further:

A. Burning down her home was referenced flippantly in BM, as if it were an act of passion.
B. If Momiji had time to gather up stuff and save it, it clearly couldn't have been a simple disgust reaction that caused them to burn the house down, therefore
C. They coldly decided to burn the house down in its entirety, only saving a few select things, as opposed to simply removing the pictures and burning those, which would have been the far more sane and humane option.

And if you STILL can't follow that, if they took the time to take stuff out of the house, they would have cooled their heads, and would therefore have been expected to take the more reasonable option.

>-Meiling was justified (see previous part)
Meiling thought she was justified. However, the point is that after seeing that Aya wasn't as bad as she had suspected, she would maybe feel a tinge of remorse for her overreaction, not say that Aya should be grateful she wasn't just fucking killed.

Jesus, how is it hard to follow this? And my problem wasn't with inconsistencies, its with how people's personalities and actions were manipulated to make the story fit.

>Jesus what a clusterfuck. I hope you never write a story here.

And what the hell is the problem with you and >>18728, if you can't get through an argument without providing evidence, and making personal attacks, which until this line I have refrained from, maybe you are an emotionally immature manchild, you fucking idiot.
>>No. 18761
...I love the smell of shitstorm in the morning.
>>No. 18762
>>18761
True enough, but i've provided enough entertainment. Gotta know when to leave the argument, and keep it classy, cause he's gonna do neither.
>>No. 18763
>>18760
> Its the difference between that happening in a cartoon setting versus a setting that is trying to be taken seriously. You ever think that Jerry goes overboard when reacting to Tom, and blowing him up with dynamite, bashing his head with mallets? No? Now what if the same actions were said to have taken place in a serious story? You'd take that a lot more seriously. Its a difference in setting and storytelling style that makes it hard to accept.

Not the guy you're addressing, but what if the purpose of the difference in tone is to serve as a deconstruction of the more comical work? Much like a deconstruction of a cartoon might depict the common scenario of an anvil falling on a character's head resulting in a concussion, brain damage, or even the character's death instead of them being flattened into an accordion, wouldn't a similar attempt at taking apart a character whose penchant for over-the-top and highly-inappropriate behavior was played for laughs were rooted in some serious and deeply-rooted psychological issues?

While such a thing could be done while maintaining a fairly light and comedic tone, it wouldn't be inappropriate to tackle it in a more serious way than the original, would it? Sure, it can be jarring, and it's understandable if you don't like it, but if that was the intent then I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Of course, this is all assuming that this was the intent, and if it wasn't this all pretty much falls apart.

Also:
>the case of Aya's stuff that came out of nowhere was only invented to make it easier for Aya to forgive her, yet it just serves to make the house burning down scene make LESS sense, since as stated before, why didn't she just burn the pictures.

But wasn't part of Momiji's motivation for destroying Aya's house and not just the offending pictures based on her belief that the whole reason Aya had turned out the way she did was a direct result of her leaving the village in the first place, and that by burning her house down she would have nowhere else to go but back to where she believed Aya belonged? From that perspective, wouldn't just burning the pictures and leaving the house alone amount to treating a sickness by removing a single symptom without attacking the actual cause?
>>No. 18765
Don't you just hate it when an OC main character drags a potentially great story down?

Everything else is damn wonderful except for the MC. If he weren't there, I would read the fuck out of the fic.
>>No. 18766
>>18765
It depends on how he/she is written. A poorly executed Touwhore as an MC is as bad (if not worse than) a poorly executed OC.
>>No. 18770
>>18766
Give me an example of a Touwhore worse than an edgy, "jerk-with-a-heart-of-gold", perverted male OC that keeps romancing Remilia (lol cockblocked jokes) even though the story is about goddamn eldritch abominations and cosmic horrors invading Gensokyo.

...I don't want to live on this fandom anymore.
>>No. 18772
>>18763
>But wasn't part of Momiji's motivation for destroying Aya's house and not just the offending pictures based on her belief that the whole reason Aya had turned out the way she did was a direct result of her leaving the village in the first place, and that by burning her house down she would have nowhere else to go but back to where she believed Aya belonged? From that perspective, wouldn't just burning the pictures and leaving the house alone amount to treating a sickness by removing a single symptom without attacking the actual cause?

Funny you should say that. That came up after people complained about it. At first it was just Momiji wanting to purge the cirnoshrine.

Also >>18770

Jesus fuck I know and read that story, that fucking guy jesus christ why. Its like he is the dumbest idiot in the world, rude as fuck at every chance he gets and 80% of his Dialouge is "Fuck" and STILL every Tohou in that story just acts like it isnt a big deal. "Oh you obnoixious retard, oh you."
>>No. 18773
>>18765
>>18770
>>18772

You guys mind giving a title or story link?
>>No. 18774
>>18765
>>18772
what story are you talking about?
>>No. 18775
Oi! YAF!

If you could turn into a buttcheeck, who's butcheeck you would be?
>>No. 18776
>>18773
>>18774

Just google it, I wont link to that abomination.
First story is "Gensokyo and the Harbinger of Madness" which introduces him as the MC,sequel is "Gensokyo and The Ballad of Horrors", sligthly better but still that OCMC. Just nope. That story could have been so much more.
>>No. 18778
New Thread: >>18777
>>No. 18779
>>18776
Ironically enough, there's a fangame that's quite similar to that fic (and they even came out around the same time, too). It also has the overarching plot of Lovecraftian horrors invading Gensokyo. And it even has some aspects that are pretty damn alike, like how Nyarlathothep looks and what happens to the people in the Underground.

Of course, it's far, far better than this fic. It has character development, plot twists, and OCs that are actually good.

Damn Japs. Always hogging on the good stuff.
>>No. 18782
>>18779
At least give us a name.
>>No. 18805
>>18782

Silly anon, of course he won't do that. Then we could play it and form our own opinions on whether its good or not instead of taking his word for it.

Silly silly anon.
>>No. 18818
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18818
>>18805
>>18782
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