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No. 10229
>>10226
What did the cast of Subterranean Animism ever do to you?
No. 10230
>>10229
Because they're evil unpleasant according to Akyuu and SoPM.
No. 10231
Huzzah for the first defeat of the Rumiafags in the new GH!
No. 10233
>>10230
Not Orin. And Akyuu hasn't even met any of the others.

>>10231
Stop that. Route obsession and categorizing other people by their desired character is what led to the breakdown of the old Gensokyo High.
No. 10234
>>10233
It's just a joke. I think those routefagging days are over.
No. 10235
>>10234
The days of routefagging will never end as long as there are routes, sadly.
No. 10236
So, am I supposed to erase the old rage thread, or can I keep it ?
No. 10237
>>10236
You can keep it for nostalgia purposes.
No. 10239
>>10235
the risk is always there, but with a skilled writer, it can be controlled and minimized. Route faggotry is a problem only if nothing is done to keep it in check or if you encourage it via polarizing choices.
No. 10240
>>10239
Yes, and this writer is new to the site. He'll need to learn really damn fast.

On a different note, I'm annoyed by people complaining about there being no new stories, or saying they're clones of old ones, and ignoring that there have been several popping up recently.
No. 10241
>>10240
I'd imagine most of these people don't look beyond /th/ and a select few boards.

On that note, /th/'s crop of stories is looking pretty good... ignoring doll quest of course.
No. 10242
>>10241
Agreed. Eastern High looks all right, RiG2.5 seems okay if a bit gamey, DdRT is good, Tainted Bonds looked well-written enough if neckbeardy, and Wizard is Wizard. Oh, Stove's /i/ story looks cool too.

Oh, yeah, let's keep this thread THP-related like the last one, guys.
No. 10244
>>10240
>several new stories popping up recently

What, like that piece of shit in /youkai/? Or the ones that died in /sdm/ and /eientei/?
And you wonder why everyone ignores these.
No. 10250
>>10244
That fairy story in /sdm/ is still going, you know.

And poor guyfrom/blue/. He tried to write but just not good enough for it.

This is why I hate people who say "Hey, why don't you just write it yourself, you whiny bitch?" when a guy throws out ideas he wants to be written.

And I looked at Tainted Bonds and it confused me with its DnD talk, even though I could read A Wizard Is You just fine. Maybe that's because I'm unfamiliar with the MC's class while I'm pretty familiar with wizards (being a cleric player myself in NWN. The spells are mostly the same). Then again, I don't even know what class he is.
No. 10251
>>10244
I believe in giving stories a chance, and last time I checked there wasn't a really notable death in /eientei/ or /sdm/. Just LSL becoming slower, the new fairy story being added in /sdm/ (other than that, it's very much normal there) There's usually something rather nice to read in every board.
No. 10255
>>10250
Funny. The only reason for me to keep writing is because I can't find the story I want, and when I tried to suggest ideas, I had that kind of answer you're talking about, the "why don't you write it yourself".
No. 10261
>>10250
>fairy story
Is that actually worth reading? What's good about it?
And yeah, I feel sorry for guyfrom/blue/. More prospective writers should put in the effort he does, they'd look better by comparison and he actually shows that people who try writing things themselves will get help for it (see: whoever's been proofreading for him).
Tainted Bonds' MC uses an infamously broken class and mechanic, which was a turn-off for me. Balistafreak also didn't keep spells remotely "core", meaning the standard ones, which Wizard did.

>>10255
Don't you actually like writing, though? Despite your detractors?
No. 10265
>>10261
It's so far a story of a newborn fairy and her interactions with others at the moment. A rather light-hearted story.

I say give tainted bonds more of a chance as I don't think he's as OP as he seems, not with what he'd have deal with. Also Balista seems to be simplifying things sort to speak (basically handling the spells/etc himself so people can get on to enjoying the story)

Between a pretty strong MC and a pretty weak one, i'd prefer the former as the latter had been done to death in YWUiG and all its descendents and knock offs.
No. 10269
>>10261
I like writing, yes, otherwise I wouldn't even be here. I like being up at 3:00 AM, writing in the middle of the night because I woke up with a good idea.
But my main problem is that I don't have Anon's priorities. For example, Anon usually considers that style is very important for a story.
I don't. When I was reading ASSM, I wasn't thinking "This is a well-written and really enjoyable story". I was thinking "WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON? What the hell is Sakuya planning? Who's the boy with Flandre? Is Remilia really an evil genius?"
I'm more interested in the plot, in the story, than in the style, and you can easily notice that. If I had to choose between a poorly written story with a good plot and a good-written story with no plot, I would take the former. Because you can ignore a bad style, to focus on the story, but a plotless story has just no point to begin with, so why bother reading it if it has no point?
And that's the problem. Moral dissonance, or something like that. I'm not sure how you call that.

Of course, there's also the fact that I'm not English to begin with, that I'm too lazy to use a proofreader unless my readers makes me understand I really need it, but there's no way this could possibly be my fault.
No. 10271
>>10265
So it's "you wake up in Gensokyo, wat do" just as a fairy? Sounds pretty shallow if that's it.

And while I'll give props to balistafreak for managing the game mechanics, the idea of a story based around Taint just isn't that interesting to me.

>>10266
People do find plots in their stories important, it's just that it's difficult to concentrate on the plot when you need to mentally autocorrect or parse sentences every few words.
No. 10272
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>>10261
>2012
>liking writing
I bet you like breathing oxygen too, you big ugly nerd.
No. 10274
>>10269

Ddyk, serious question, linked to this your post: >>/border/26657

If you don’t like anons and think that votes slow you down, why don’t you leave and write on fanfiction.net?
No. 10278
>>10271
I dunno, I read a few stories that made me wonder if the writefag had a real plot. For example, in Ancient Gensokyo, the main character wants to help Konngara, but when the story was "on hiatus", he was helping someone else on a totally unrelated quest.
Another example, in that story, I think it's Shikigami of the Heart, the writer (what's his name already?) spent one thread just training Satoya, and then brought his character to Reimu without any other reasons than "Yukari wants to boast", so I wonder if he has something planned or if he's just improvising.
I'm not saying it's bad to improvise, but, I don't know, I expect some kind of problem to fall without any forewarning.

I don't really like the "you're walking on Gensokyo THEN SUDDENLY A YETI ARRIVES OUT OF NOWHERE TO EAT YOU" kind of story, it's like a villain deus ex machina, with said problem appearing like a bunny from a hat. If you want a plot in your story, you should drop a few hints, even when you're just introducing your characters.

>>10272
Oxygen tastes good, go back breathing your foreign tobacco.


>>10274
Because writing for fanfiction.net would be like playing Call of Duty. Sure, it's easy, it's kind of fun, but it's also filled with obnoxious kids, and all your friends are making fun of you for playing it.
And besides, it's just temporary, until I can bring [NAME] in the story. After that, I'll open votes again.
In this case, I closed them to avoid being sidetracked, when I'll open them again, fooling around and doing useless things will be impossible.
And one last thing: I never said I don't like Anon. Au contraire, Anon surprised me many times (especially when I tried to confuse him with SSTV and he managed to figure out what it was). I just happen to dislike that dude on an online game who says "hey hartmann ? ur the dood from THP lol XD?". Mainly because I hate emoticons.
No. 10279
>>10185
>I can't say the same for Innocent Maiden's Nightmare where horny MtG fans threw Sanae into bad end after bad end.

Are you kidding me? Look at the fucking title. Now look at the options that SLDT offered and where those led.

I'm not SLDT, but it looks pretty damn obvious to me that he intended it to turn out that way. Anon simply voted for the options offered to them; there were no MtG fans throwing in rape writeins. It was a porn story on a porn board. SLDT even admitted it in the first thread.
>Even if that story is essentially one big pornfest.
No. 10280
>>10278
Writing on FF.net isn't that bad as long as you don't go to the forums.
No. 10281
>>10269
>ASSM
>Sakuya.
THANK YOU for reminding me of that idiotic plot twist. All thanks to the writefag's reading of the month being Higurashi. And those crappy OCs.

Wait, am I talking about the right story? God, I hope so. I'd look so stupid otherwise.
>>10279
I miss that story. I, for one, like a big pornfest.
No. 10282
>>10281
Yes. ASSM had Sakuya suddenly become evil out of fucking nowhere. I think only two OCs though, but I could be wrong.
No. 10283
>So it's "you wake up in Gensokyo, wat do" just as a fairy? Sounds pretty shallow if that's it.

It's 5 posts in, with the first post being awakening, the second post about meeting the Three Fairies, the third about meeting Dai and Cirno, the fourth being an expodump on setting potential plot shennigans and the reveal of what could be a promising Daiyousei interpretation, and the fifth being a snowball fight. I mean, 5 posts isn't really enough to get PLOT underway.
No. 10284
>>10280
I read many a few one story from here. I guess that being on THP made me extremely intolerant to all japanese suffixes, because I dropped any story containing "-sama" or "-chan" or "~ze". And also, its reviews doesn't seem as helpful as THP's reviews. I dunno, I kind of trust THP to tell me if I'm goofing, while most of FF.net's reviews looks like ass-kissing.
And while it's good to be flattered once in a while, I'm too paranoid to not think it's sarcasm and irony. Not to mention I become arrogant very quickly if I'm flattered, and an arrogant writefag is a bad writefag.
Well, technically, I think that a writefag must be arrogant, but just a little, just enough to be able to say "Hey, that vote is stupid, I'm not going to use it" if confronted to a stupid vote. If a writefag is not arrogant enough, he'll break under the pressure, and he will become a floorcloth spending his time crying about his failed story (kinda like someone, but I forgot his name). On another hand, a writefag being too arrogant will disregard any advices or reviews, and will consider them as troll attempts, because he's obviously too perfect to be flawed, and people criticizing his work are obviously jealous snipers with no shame and no gluttony sword and are too dirty and soiled (kinda like the dude actually writing this right now). So, yeah, in my opinion, being a good writefag means being arrogant. But just a bit. Kinda like YAF said, say no if you don't like the vote, but remember you're writing about a world where little girls are flying.


>>10281
Anytime, mein friend. Happy to help.
Can you feel the schadenfreude?

>>10282
Nope. There's the protagonist, there's that dude, Nathaniel or something like that, and there's also that kid named Gesh. And a few others OCs mentionned here and here, but they're irrelevant.
No. 10286
Ah, yes, ASSM was that story with the danmaku interpretation that pissed me off a while ago.

Energy knives. Her danmaku is energy knives. What's even the point of letting her throw millions of mundane knives if you're going to declare that her danmaku are freaking energy knives!!

Also, being unable to mess up that eye-gouge chair with danmaku. Reimu took out the Flower Tank with danmaku so there's no reason that that other kind of object should be able to stand up to it.

Surprisingly enough, I still had vitriol against that story even after venting here once. Plug me into a battery factory, people, and you'll only need the lead.
No. 10288
>>10286
Lead the way.
No. 10289
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10289
>>10288
No. 10290
So GH finally comes back, eh? (even though it's a clone)

In addition to me finding someone finally made a story where Toyohime is amongst the protagonists (been waiting for a story like that since, I dunno, the whole SSiB fiasco, finding that awful, awful HFY! Lunarian bashing fic back then, and reading Ddyk's story that I thought was going to have good Lunarians turns out it's only Yorihime. Fuck you, Ddyk.), this made me forget my plan to leave the fandom.

Makes me want to throw an internet party.
No. 10291
>>10290
Why do you have such a raging hard-on for the Lunarians and their being good?
No. 10292
>>10291
It's a long story. Most of it came from /jp/'s (and the rest of the fandom) kneejerk reaction to SSiB and me continuously finding Yukari fanboys annoying.
No. 10293
>>10292
Well, that's understandable enough. Wouldn't really call it a good reason though.

And heh, you're not going to like my story then.
No. 10294
>>10290
>I thought was going to have good Lunarians turns out it's only Yorihime. Fuck you, Ddyk
Well, Toyohime isn't really an antagonist in that story. She's more like a white knight trying to protect the moon and her family against evil (and she also has a personal grudge). The only real antagonist in that story is Ama, and she's an OC, so who cares about her?
No. 10302
>>10279
there was a plot but that got ignored for all the bad ends. And there were 'safe' choices that would have made progress. SLDT intended anon to to go rushing into them. why else do you think he gave up on his end of the project?

What he intended: Anon to try to make their way through the forest, occasionally running into something sexy, hopefully to get to the root of it.

What happened: the greater bulk of voters ignored the safe progress choices and choose to fill in the void MtG left at the time.
No. 10303
>>10302
IRC Logs or he didn't say that. I sure as hell don't remember anything like that in the story itself.
No. 10306
>>10294
Well, I sure as hell didn't get that impression from the MC.
No. 10308
>>10306
Serious question: after attacking an youkai who just tried to help him for no reason, you really believe that MC is objective when he says that his Toyohime is evil?
No. 10312
>>10308
Your MC is a dick.
No. 10313
>>10308
Youkai are human-eating monsters. You don't need to have a reason to attack them. They don't have feelings like you and I.
No. 10315
>>10313
Hi, YAF.
No. 10318
>>10312
You cannot trust youkais. They're all monsters lusting for your flesh, and once you look away, they'll rip your body apart and eat your liver.
With a pepper sauce. And some wine. And some cheese too.
Lovely.
No. 10323
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10323
Exterminate all those fucking monsters.
No. 10324
>>10323
why is that man licking her cheek
No. 10325
>>10324
I think it's her nose, my good man.
No. 10439
I'm angry that the people who are raging against City Quest are angry over the sex, and not over the yukkuri and that the setting assumes a stupidly overpowered Yukari. Also, that they're raging over the sex right now despite the last few updates having had to do with a mobster and nothing to do with sex of any kind.

In fact I'm angry about yukkuri in general, but that's rage for another place.
No. 10442
I'm angry that Kahi gets more protest-voters than Stitches in Time gets real voters.
No. 10444
>>10442
Stitches in Time?

Never heard of it.

>>10439
>overpowered Yukari
You mean overpowered Yukari yukkuri.

Don't worry, I also dislike overpowered Yukari.
No. 10448
Remember when most of THP's writers were still active?
...
Yeah, me neither.
No. 10449
>>10439
I'm just one of them, but I assume we're continuing to rage because the previous threads have made it quite clear that the sex will be back.
No. 10450
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>>10448
I do.
No. 10461
>>10444
Stitches in Time: read it a while ago, but AFAIK the premise is there are multiple timelines' or parallel universes' versions of the protagonists, who are more or less engaged in a battle royale to see which of them can keep existing and live in Gensokyo. It's well-written, I'd check it out.

Also, pretty sure the point about OP Yukari was that she would be able to create and rule the City in the first place, cause the zombie mansion, etc.
No. 10462
>>10439
I'm mostly upset at the fact that its a 18+ story... not in /at/. God knows when the summertime rush hits and there's going to be newfags making porn all over the board because Kahi got away with it.
No. 10463
>>10462
Don't worry.

They'll abandon their stories well before they would ever get to the sex.
No. 10464
>>10463
Dear god I hope so.
No. 10465
>>10462
You realize that there's always been sexually explicit content on the site and in stories, right? If anything, having stories in /at/ is the newer phenomenon.
No. 10466
>>10462
The main cause of a story being in /at/ is either being a pornfest or having about as much porn as plot if not more.

But yeah CQ belongs in /at/ as the story basically panders to certain fetishes.
No. 10467
>>10465
Nowhere near the scale of CQ though.

And what does /at/'s age have to do with anything? It exists and is now the proper place for sex stories.
No. 10468
I can't remember a single time since we were kicked out /jp/ that someone was hassled to move a story to another board. That combined that with the recent bitching about Kahi and spacebattles kind of makes it seem like no one is actually concerned that some rule or order is being violated. The votes to move it strike me more as passive-aggressive attempts at trolling than anything else.
No. 10469
>>10467
>And what does /at/'s age have to do with anything?
I don't know, you tell me. I haven't said anything about the age of any particular board.

You and >>10466 (and probably others) think this author should move on to another board just because of the fetish appeal and sexual content of the story. There's no binding need. The liberty of deciding where to write has always been left to the discretion of the writer. By and large the board names are general guidelines but not absolute dogma. See the news posts and sticky in /gensokyo/. Other criteria could just as easily be used to demand another story's removal; A story in /th/ that features primarily Keine could be arguably be said to belong in /shrine/ - because she lives in the village. In the end you can't force a writer to move anywhere. You can ask. That's about it.

You don't like what he's done in his story? Don't vote. Hide the thread. Organize a boycott. Just don't try to force things like you're the sole users and arbiters of what's proper on the site.
No. 10472
>>10469
The bit about /at/'s age was in response to this bit:
>If anything, having stories in /at/ is the newer phenomenon.
which seemed to me to be an appeal to tradition. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

>>10468
I'm pretty sure the complaining about Kahi and Spacebattles is just one guy, and I actually don't even agree with him. Kahi is a quality writer and the site is better off for having him. Even CQ, despite its controversial content, is well written. So, no, you have my word that these are not attempts at trolling (at least on my part). Were I trying to do that, I'd be voting for self-destructive options and such.
No. 10473
>>10472
>I'm pretty sure the complaining about Kahi and Spacebattles is just one guy
Maybe...
>Kahi is a quality writer
Now you're reaching, pal.
No. 10478
Could somebody tell me what DnD books should I read to understand the mechanics and lore present in "A Tainted Bonds"?

I'm already confused when I read the first paragraph. I can't get into it at all.

I want to give it a chance since some anons say it's a really good story.

I hope their recommendation isn't wrong though. Back then, some anons also recommended Doll's Quest. Read it up until Thread 6 or so before giving up. It's just so boring since 90% of the fun comes from voting in the story.
No. 10480
>>10473
If nothing else, Kahi is a quantity writer, and a persistent one.
No. 10481
>>10480

Kahi writes decently enough. He's not too bad, but he's not at the level of some of the better writefags like Fell, Lion, or Owen.
No. 10482
>>10478
Skim the first post. Ran shows up in the second. If you aren't interested there, it probably isn't the story for you.
No. 10483
>>10478
The first post is a bit much true but I think things are decently explained. But you should try asking the writer himself.
No. 10484
>>10482
I dunno.

This should be my kind of story since it's a "Gensokyo is in danger" story but I knew practically nothing about the villain so I'm not hyped at all.

And it has too much DnD terms I do not understand.

I'm confused.
No. 10485
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>But you should try asking the writer himself.

I see your suggestion, and raise you one preemptive strike.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ever get to that point where you're so tired, you shouldn't be up, but your mind is so frazzled that you can't sleep?

Yeah.

So I went to /blue/ and holy shit they're talking about my writing.

... time to have a bit of a fireside chat, perhaps.

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>>10242
>>10250
>>10261
>>10271
>>10478

>tl;dr: gamist elements turn potential readers off

;_;

I mean, I can't say I didn't see this one coming, because I did, but it's still a bit disappointing nonetheless.

While half my brainstorming comes from what people might consider gamist elements, I do try and make an effort to boil everything down into a more narrative sense. Partially because I thrust into houserule territory farther than a... (dropped metaphor) but mostly because in the end, the story isn't wanking over game mechanics, but, well, a story.

People flailed around about "hurr durr stop neckbearding". I have to say this: it's not like hair is growing out of my larynx to wrap around your windpipe until the cartilage rings crack and your windpipe collapses. If you wish to only read story posts, use the search feature of your web browser to look for the phrase "Tainted Bonds: Update". This phrase is in the title of every main story update, and lets you hop past all the neckbearding, if you so choose. Yes, this was intentional.

Why am I defending the chatter? Because truthfully, I find it helpful when thinking of what to write, both in terms of incoming updates and the far future. Anon flailed around a lot about protection from evil, and ultimately that changed some of what I originally sketched out for the near future updates. Not in the way that they might have been asking for, but it affected the story nonetheless, and hopefully in a way they'll find more satisfying than my original version that no one will ever know except for me, and I'll probably forget it in a few months, so why do I bother? oh wait, better. (You'll see how... when I wake up and get some real writing done. Tomorrow.)

If Tainted Bonds wasn't getting published to the public eye, I'd probably be going back and combing out some of the overly strong gamist elements. Then again, if it wasn't getting published to the public eye, I probably never would have even considered going back and taking them out, so... there's a term named after some bearded dude about this sort of hindsight, but I forget.

I will say that I'm not at all proud of the OP, first post, introduction, whatever. The beginning came out of a primordial soup of ideas, and thus I needed to infodump to have even the slightest hope of people comprehending the situation; and even then, I knew I lot of people would walk away drunk as a monk from Champagne due to confusion. If this were a "serious" story, I'd have started the story from Sai's teen years, but then we'd go most of a story without any Touhou, and let's be honest that's what we're here to read about.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Time to answer some direct questions and try and parry/riposte some barbed comments:

>Then again, I don't even know what class he is.

He's a heavily modified Sorcerer, but at the end of the day he spontaneously casts arcane spells. He's also a Warblade, which at the end of the day is a weeaboo fightan magic man. That's really all you need to know. If you know gestalt, that'll explain his lack of stupid numbers of hit dice, but if you don't know, don't worry about. Just accept that he has abilities of both caster and fighter without the traditional multiclass hilarity that causes.

>Tainted Bonds' MC uses an infamously broken class and mechanic, which was a turn-off for me.

Consider that many good stories start because something seems "OP as shit". A search for immortality in a world that only knows the opposite. A god coming down from the heavens and doing funky shit; how do the puny humans react to this divine trolling? Something being harder, better, faster, stronger than what's the norm is a timeless plot coupon that's at the core of many stories, ranging from the Star Wars Death Star to the Spiral Power of Gurren Lagann.

Just because you know something's "imba, nerfs pl0x" doesn't mean that a good story can't come out of it.

> ...the idea of a story based around Taint just isn't that interesting to me.

Despite the name, and despite what's currently written, Tainted Bonds was never intended at its core to be about Taint.

ooooowooooooo im mysterious and unhelpful

> Could somebody tell me what DnD books should I read to understand the mechanics and lore present in "A Tainted Bonds"?

All the first party books dealing with 3.5 and all of Pathfinder too, just to be helpful. That's right, every single one. Then track me down, polymorph into an ithillid, and eat my brain, because a lot of it is my own, and I'm not writing any books while I'm still writing this story.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

... my final message to everyone: readers, people-who-looked-at-it-and-got-turned-off-by-something-or-the-other, and people who have never heard of my story and wonder why the writefag wasted so much time talking about it here when he could have been updating or sleeping to prepare to update.

For those of you with some /tg/ experience who are still confused and feeling indignant about it... don't be. Not only is the inspiration I pull from 3.5 extremely obscure and at times obtuse, half the time I've houseruled it "under the hood" so that when I present it narratively, it'll unrecognizable. And that's not even counting the 100% houseruled plot coupons mistaken as gamist elements due to the elegan/tg/gentleman's mindset you might be approaching the story with.

Relax. Don't make it a point of pride to have to know the game so well you're able to suggest "optimal" or "superior" or whathaveyou, like so many did in A Wizard is You. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall threadshitting over mind blank, or some other spell selection discussion. Even if you rolled with Gary Gygax himself, don't try to see the roots of the game in the story.

To everyone: just read the story. If you feel like there's something you're not understanding, don't panic. Try to get a feeling of the general flow of the plot. Just make a vote based on that, and don't get ragey when different votes are made when people take different lines of thinking to come to different conclusions. Opinions are always logical in their owners' minds, and none of them are incorrect. If you'd like to discuss neckbearding with me or the other readers between story posts and votes, go right on ahead. Just take it easy... like I'm about to do, by passing out on my keyboard.

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No. 10487
>A god coming down from the heavens and doing funky shit; how do the puny humans react to this divine trolling?
There's the real deal. Just say it's a god, you don't even need to pull all that crap about a sword-dancer wizard or whatever the class is named.
No. 10490
>>10485
>>10485
>Consider that many good stories start because something seems "OP as shit". A search for immortality in a world that only knows the opposite. A god coming down from the heavens and doing funky shit; how do the puny humans react to this divine trolling? Something being harder, better, faster, stronger than what's the norm is a timeless plot coupon that's at the core of many stories, ranging from the Star Wars Death Star to the Spiral Power of Gurren Lagann.

>Just because you know something's "imba, nerfs pl0x" doesn't mean that a good story can't come out of it.

I thought OP shit is only good if it's for the villains, so that the heroes can overcome it in the end.
No. 10494
>>10485
Oy. Okay, I'm going to cut you some slack due to you obviously being exhausted while writing this, but...Time for a wall response to your response.

Just for some background, I originally found this site through A Wizard is You when I was relatively new to the Touhou fandom and more familiar with D&D, lurked for a while, read a ton of other stories, and am now writing a story with no D&D or game elements. Also >>10261 and >>10271. I never really had any trouble understanding what was going on in-story.

Now, I started reading your story when it was first posted on /th/, and was initially very impressed with your writing. Your prose is good, you're very good at stringing words together and building an atmosphere.

Then it got to the "nigh-infinite spell slots and DCs" post and I went ಠ_ಠ. Didn't take long to identify as a Tainted Scholar, and this was more or less a giant warning flag. You mentioned not wanting gamebreaking aspects in the same post, but that qualified on its own to me. This was mitigated by his being a sorcerer, but only slightly.

More reveals. Gestalt. Warblade. 9th level maneuvers. Okay. These are things I'd be worried about in my own games (with the exception of the Tome of Battle, 3.5 really needed some boost to martial characters IMO), and those continued the nagging feeling I had of SorcAnon being very OP.

And around the point when the MC manifested as a pseudo-deity, or demigod or what have you, and this entity effortlessly smacked down effectively the most powerful character in Touhou canon was the dropping point.

My reaction to the story can be summed up pretty well here >>>/th/156763, with the exception of the last bit.
I wouldn't say you've done this combination of factors badly, but definitely not brilliantly either, and gratingly IMO. The managing of D&D stuff yourself? That was a good point and improvement from Wizard. The other parts of this post? Not so hot.

Now, for your actual post...

>Consider that many good stories start because something seems "OP as shit". A search for immortality in a world that only knows the opposite. A god coming down from the heavens and doing funky shit; how do the puny humans react to this divine trolling? Something being harder, better, faster, stronger than what's the norm is a timeless plot coupon that's at the core of many stories, ranging from the Star Wars Death Star to the Spiral Power of Gurren Lagann.
Yeah, okay. Not all of us like playing as gods, especially with the whole "powerlevels in Touhou" aspect. There's a reason broken builds are discouraged in D&D and another that the idea of Mary Sues (specifically God Mode Sues here) exist, largely because these have a tendency to make things seem boring and too easy for the protagonists. I am not saying that Sai is a Sue (god, that's like the most basic shitstorm-starting material), just that he's too powerful for my taste and this is affecting my enjoyment of the story, as should be obvious from other things above.
Oh, yeah, and the Death Star? The villains had it. Spiral Power? Its full potential wasn't really exploited until late in the story, and the heroes were initially outmatched despite it. And TTGL was a pretty ridiculous work anyway (yes, I did like it, generally).
>Just because you know something's "imba, nerfs pl0x" doesn't mean that a good story can't come out of it.
No, but it's a lot harder to do effectively, in my opinion, especially when the protagonist is the imba one.

>Despite the name, and despite what's currently written, Tainted Bonds was never intended at its core to be about Taint.
All right. As of yet, whatever it's about it doesn't engage me. I might go back to it later when the plot seems more interesting, I've done that with other stories.

>gamist elements
>don't like, don't read
The experience of being able to participate in stories' discussions is a big part of the enjoyment of reading in this community. If 90% of the discussion is indecipherable to someone, it's likely going to turn them off. For those of us who understand and like that kind of discussion, great, but that's a minority of the site.

>Not only is the inspiration I pull from 3.5 extremely obscure and at times obtuse, half the time I've houseruled it "under the hood" so that when I present it narratively, it'll unrecognizable
There's still a great deal of obvious 3.5 influence, which is often a deal-breaker.

>Relax. Don't make it a point of pride to have to know the game so well
People like understanding what's happening in the stories they follow. For many people, that'd be significantly more difficult here.

The whole point of this message: You should take it easy too. Not everyone's going to like your story, accept it. Bending over backwards to try and accommodate absolutely everyone does seem like you're trying to be helpful but also seems a bit like you're begging for more readers.

You don't need to do this. A lot of things people are going to take issue with are already set in stone at this point. You have a lot of fans/readers who are going to read your story, but also a lot of people who are disappointed by the very premise. This is fine.

By all means take constructive criticisms about characterization, or elements of Touhou, or whatever into account. That's how one improves their writing and story.

But don't, don't try and get the entire population of /blue/ or the site as a whole to read your story by pimping it. That honestly seems pathetic. People will read it if they want to, and make their own decisions.

I get that you want people to like your story, and I get that you want more readers. Every writer on the site can identify with these feelings. But this isn't the right way of going about it. Just write the story you want to, and let fans of your story do any defending which is necessary.

Also: If you wake up and find yourself with the strong urge to delete this (god knows I've had sleep-deprived posts like that), I wouldn't. There's a lot of decently written stuff there, and it was informative about how you view the story.

All right, I've spent too much time writing this and otherwise procrastinating. Time to churn out my own story's already late update.
No. 10496
For you who're curious about the Taint mechanics.

http://www.iourn.com/dnd/miscellany/taint.htm

The MC's defacto class

http://www.iourn.com/dnd/classes/prestigeclasses/taintedscholar.htm

Taint is really more fitting for an evil character it seems.

I haven't read the story yet so I dunno if the MC's evil or not.
No. 10497
>>10485
>Consider that many good stories start because something seems "OP as shit".
I thought we’d gotten weary of that years ago. Are people honestly still doing the same old tired schtick? How many times can you read/write the same bloody thing?
No. 10499
>>10497
As long as people will recommend old stories and repeat "it was better before", writers will use the same overused plot, the same characters.
It's all because people are strongly attached to THP's "story", and they think that old stories are all good stories. Therefore, most writers are too afraid to try something new, and in the end, we end up with the typical "you wake up in gensokyo, and yukari is the big bad".
Not big surprise.
No. 10501
Wake up, eat, remember that silly thing I posted on /blue/ and o hai thar.

... I should start writing now, but then I'd have this hanging over my head like the sword of Damocles. Is "sword" capitalized there or not? I can't remember if "sword" there is considered to be part of a proper noun there or not.

>Just say it's a god, you don't even need to pull all that crap about a sword-dancer wizard or whatever the class is named.

In the story itself (in-character? IC? I dunno) the characters never identify themselves by exact class, only general area of expertise. I'm pretty sure I made a point of referring to people as "mage" a whole lot, and never referred to the term "Warblade" once.

in before "classes are a metagame concept" shitstorm"

>I thought OP shit is only good if it's for the villains, so that the heroes can overcome it in the end.

Maybe it's just me, but it seems to me heroes generally overcome the OP shit by either questing for something that's even more OP or a direct, specific counter. And the former is... not uncommon.

Example: fate/stay night's UBW ending, where Shirou meets the OP Gate of Babylon with the eponymous (titular? I forget) Unlimited Blade Works. He takes the entire story to get there, but ultimately UBW is what leads to victory.

>Then it got to the "nigh-infinite spell slots and DCs" post and I went ಠ_ಠ. Didn't take long to identify as a Tainted Scholar, and this was more or less a giant warning flag. You mentioned not wanting gamebreaking aspects in the same post, but that qualified on its own to me. This was mitigated by his being a sorcerer, but only slightly.

Maybe I'm just really jaded on 3.5, because compared to the Touhous, a Sorcerer who could blast and cast like a danmaku master didn't OP to me. The abjuration/illusion/divination rounds him out in the same way that the Touhous have "actual" power; you know, the ones ranging from the ability to the extent of huehuehuehue to pass through walls or manipulate borders, although yes, I do recognize that one of those is a lot stronger than the other.

If Sai was ever printed on a sheet I'd break down Goldeneye style, I agree, but story protagonists generally don't have unruly players trying to break your came controlling them, so I felt comfortable with my ability to keep it in check, kind of like how you're not particularly afraid of brutally beheading yourself when you pick up a meat cleaver.

>And around the point when the MC manifested as a pseudo-deity, or demigod or what have you, and this entity effortlessly smacked down effectively the most powerful character in Touhou canon was the dropping point.

I actually intended this to be, in a way, a characterization of the villain, albeit now that I look at it, it was certainly a backward-ass retarded way to do it. The idea was that this MC deity-manifestation represents "what could have been" had the MC either failed his initial mission, or succumbed to the lure of power; something so ridiculous, it represents the end of the story-world as anyone would know it.

Despite the identity confusion issues, I did want to make it very clear that while this deity-character "is" the MC's original mind, he is not the MC in any way. Perhaps it wasn't enough, or I muddled the issue too much.

And while I accept that kicking the Yama to the curb is preposterous, by the time I wrote this scene I knew exactly how I was going to prevent this deity-manifestation from negating the entire conflict of the story by himself; and that such "get out of jail free cards" would not be available in the future.

>No, but it's a lot harder to do effectively, in my opinion, especially when the protagonist is the imba one.

True enough; but I did wring the MC through a very explicit nerfing process. Or perhaps that's yet another one of those things that got missed because I didn't spend enough time/emphasis on it. If this seems like a passive/aggressive way to say "lol you can't read fag", as I keep worrying it does, it's not. I believe the author failing to make something clear is first and foremost their burden and failure.

>The experience of being able to participate in stories' discussions is a big part of the enjoyment of reading in this community. If 90% of the discussion is indecipherable to someone, it's likely going to turn them off. For those of us who understand and like that kind of discussion, great, but that's a minority of the site.

I suppose I underestimated the amount of attachment people have to the chatter, then. I've always just skimmed it at best, and just "ctrl-f" for the writefag's name/tripcode in most cases. While I always post an opinion/explanation with my vote, I make a point of not trying to defend it further, mainly because I know that I don't want to waste time chattering when I can be doing something like updating shit what am i doing here.

>There's still a great deal of obvious 3.5 influence, which is often a deal-breaker.

If this is intended as a jab at 3.5, I'm going to raise an eyebrow and ask what's the problem with it in particular. But if it's just commenting on how the story was clearly influenced by something else in general, then yeah, I understand, fair enough.

>The whole point of this message: You should take it easy too. Not everyone's going to like your story, accept it. Bending over backwards to try and accommodate absolutely everyone does seem like you're trying to be helpful but also seems a bit like you're begging for more readers.

Come to think of it, the real, original reason I posted wasn't really to defend myself, although that's what ended up happening (whoops). I guess I was kind of annoyed at how readers would rapidly and offhand dismiss a story as "terrible" or "not worth reading" just by their first impression, or because of the writefag in question; and then go on to threadshit everywhere about it.

At the risk of wandering into non-neutral territory, I'm calling out Kahirage-fag(s) here. Also to some degree YAFrage-fags (I get the feeling these guys are definitely plural, though). You're like those political partisans who, at dinner parties, make a point of standing on a table and delivering the equivalent of a live attack ad on the opposition.

These actions are an eyesore. Disappear.

Going back it definitely does read like I personally want more attention and love, but I mentally set off on a crusade to calm rage, right before I got bogged down in messy personal issues. Kind of like the actual Crusades, in a way.

>I thought we’d gotten weary of that years ago. Are people honestly still doing the same old tired schtick? How many times can you read/write the same bloody thing?

Pretty sure this concept was old before you were born. Before your parents were born. Hell, before the printing press was invented. Seeming pretty hipster there, YAF.

Yes, I'm aware something being old doesn't make it good, but I couldn't resist the chance to call YAF a hipster, even on the flimsiest of reasons.
No. 10502
>>10499
>Yukari is a big bad
What? I don't think this is a cliche. In fact, I think it's rare for a Touhou story to have Yukari as a villain.

You must mean Trollkari. If so, yes, that is a cliche. A cliche that I really despise by the way.
No. 10503
>>10499
>you wake up in gensokyo, and yukari is the big bad
Yukari was not involved in bringing anonymous to gensokyo in WUiG
No. 10504
>>10501
>Maybe it's just me, but it seems to me heroes generally overcome the OP shit by either questing for something that's even more OP or a direct, specific counter. And the former is... not uncommon.

>Example: fate/stay night's UBW ending, where Shirou meets the OP Gate of Babylon with the eponymous (titular? I forget) Unlimited Blade Works. He takes the entire story to get there, but ultimately UBW is what leads to victory.

Exactly. If you want to give the heroes OP shit, do it at the end. Not early in the story. It kills suspense since you know the heroes are powerful and you don't need to worry about them.
No. 10505
>>10501
I was speaking more in the specific scope of THP, rather than a more general one, but you’ll take my words however you please, I feel.
All I’m saying is I had somehow conceived the same old “something/one powerful from <fictional universe X> ends up in Gensokyo, let’s see how the Touhoes fare against it (though keep in mind the author is a fan of <fictional universe X>, hence the something/one will prove much more powerful than under ordinary circumstances)” pattern would have been exhausted and grown dreadfully stale long ago. Which, frankly, it has in my view, since it’s been done dozens of times and always to the same effect. I’ll pose the question again: how many times can you read/write the same old boring thing?
No. 10506
>>10505
Are you talking about crossovers where Character X from Universe Y comes to Gensokyo and wrecks it up?

If so, since when it's a cliche? All I know is the opposite's the cliche one. Touhous wrecking things up in other universes.

Maybe this is the effect of me spending too much time in Spacebattles crossover threads. My God, the Touhous are wanked there.
No. 10508
>>10506
>If so, since when it's a cliche?
Since TH-P’s beginnings.
No. 10509
>Exactly. If you want to give the heroes OP shit, do it at the end. Not early in the story. It kills suspense since you know the heroes are powerful and you don't need to worry about them.

I'm really not good at saying what I mean. There's also the stories where the MC loses his OP shit that he's used to and has to grind his way back to his previous position for some plot related purpose. A sort of Prince and Pauper story.

>>10501

I reread Lord of the Rings the other day.

... yeah, I have trouble with personal innovation.

Personally I feel like this particular crossover realm is broad enough to encompass a lot of things. Your complaint about the genre becoming old and stale feels to me like complaining about first person shooters becoming old and stale. I guess some people might get tired of the genre as a whole, but I personally still enjoy it.
No. 10510
>>10501
Kahirage-fag here.

There are at least two of us.

Then again, counting anon is pretty silly in the first place.
No. 10511
>>10508
All right, YAF, give me a list of stories with that "cliche", so that I could look at them and see if they're good or not.
No. 10512
>>10509
>complaining about first person shooters becoming old and stale
Are you saying you aren’t tired of all the CoD clone/modern military shooter games this gen? That’s the precise problem we’re facing here. Exploitation of the same formula that proved successful in one or two instances (CoD and BF for modern military shooters). We’re seeing people craving a bite of that cake for themselves, but they fail to see saturating the market with the exact same idea over and over isn’t the way to go. I’ll use an old game to exemplify my idea, but that is simply because there isn’t a modern game I might take instead. Take a look at the SWAT series. They’re modern (para-)military shooters, yet they’re drastically different from the nowadays’ middle east/Russian terrorist hideouts/AMURRIKKKA FUCK YEAH mass-copypasted drivel. This is what we lack today. Variety. There’s simply too few shooters that aren’t blatantly copying CoD’s set of rules and mechanics. Sure, OSCAR MIKE IRON SIGHTS SOPMOD M4 TACTICAL OPERATOR COMMANDO BLOODY SCREEN SO REAL may be fun for the first or the first few times, but afterwards? No, thank you.

Naturally, if you’ve the mindset of an MMO player and enjoy doing the same thing again and again and again and again and again and again... be my guest and come to /th/. We’ve got piles and piles of the same old boring stuff.

>>10511
Try any of the oldest stories, 3/4ths of them were in a greater or lesser degree crossovers. I can’t give you the exact titles because, plainly, my memory fails me when it comes to names. Then you can go ahead and sift through the hosts and hosts of one-thread stalled or abandoned stories. A good part of them was born from the very idea of tossing something “cool” into Gensokyo to see how it fares, etc. etc.
No. 10515
>>10512
Are you a /v/irgin, YAF? You just sounded like one now.

As for crossovers, the stories that come to mind is that Minecraft story (dead), Persona story (also dead. Angry Desu ran off to Spacebattles to write his magical girl megacrossover story (Battle Fantasia) damn traitor!), and that Earthbound story (also dead, probably due to the flu epidemic appearing at the author's place).

Huh, you're right, YAF. They're indeed mostly dead stories.

But wait! They're not the "throw villains for the Touhous to fight" crossovers! Two of them are AU fics (Persona and Earthbound) and the other is Touhous in Minecraft.
No. 10518
>>10515
I do not consider myself one, no, but I do share some of their views: the outrage with the big companies’ DRM policies, the opinion that the industry needs some sort of revolution if it’s to remain stable, that sort of thing. I don’t share their blind hate of CoD though. I liked CoD4 (back then it was a welcome change from the WW2 shooter formula), I thought MW2 was okay-to-meh-ish. I don’t share their opinion that Black Ops was good: for me it was cheesy garbage with a piss-poor sound and aesthetic design. I don’t blithely worship Valve. I don’t think DMC4 was a downgrade from the previous games. I don’t like Katawa-Shoujo, I don’t wish I was a little girl, and I don’t experience “feels” when no girlfriend. I’m a bitter oldschoolfag, conceivably, but most certainly not a /v/irgin.

Still, the market today is oversaturated with CoD clones and this really isn’t subject to doubt. It’s all very plainly apparent.

As for the stories, those you named, aren’t they fairly recent and freshey? There have been more of these if you look around. Also, nobody said a thing about villains. I mentioned people/things being thrown into Gensokyo and fighting Touhoes, that’s all – not them going about the sole purpose of killing/popping/impregnating everything in sight. A friendly fight is a fight nonetheless. The issue here is the concept of putting stuff from other universes in Gensokyo “because it sounds cool.” That, and the fact that the stuff will win against the Touhoes 99% of the time for the aforementioned like of the author for the original universe of the stuff/the stuff itself, resulting in the same tired course of story done many, many times before (suddenly Gensokyo -> find Touhoes -> fight Touhoes -> romance Touhoes -> filler character hijinks -> idea stops being cool -> story abandoned).
No. 10519
>>10515
Bah, if I actually can write, I'll continue that Earthbound fic.

Sadly, my writing skill is about as good as Ddyk's, so no.
No. 10522
The “villain” idea has some potential though. Imagine if the stuff wasn’t grossly OP and remained true to its original scope of power. Imagine if the stuff got its arse handed to it on a fork and told to simmer down if it wants to settle in Gensokyo. Imagine it complying, only to in the dark confines of his mind plot a gruesome revenge brought by cunning use of its limited ability and/or psychological manipulation rather than a display of grossly exaggerated power. That’d be actually interesting.

This does not work however if the stuff is OP and wins every battle (no conflict), or if the author wants a light-hearted story (what’s the point of making a crossover then?). The concept of “character X wakes up in Gensokyo” is shallow, has very little potential if it follows the general trend we’ve been seeing since TH-P’s beginning, and has been done so many times that it’s become clichéd. You want a fighting story? Make the protagonist struggle against the Touhoes he’s fighting. You want a light-hearted, slice-of-life/sex story? Make the main hero be someone from Gensokyo itself, even if it’s just an ordinary villager. As far as I’m privy, stories starring human villagers are pretty few and sparse in between. Here’s your ticket to fame.
No. 10523
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>>10512

>SWAT

You mean like this game?

Dude, I loved this game. Still take it for the occasional spin, although the fact that I've memorized the floorplans to every level mean that there's not as much caution when I know exactly what angles they might come from. Hell, I was even thinking of it when I was posting at the time.
No. 10524
>>10522
Sir, you just described the villain in Touhou Mother. He wins not by raw power (he's just a normal human) but by sheer cunningness, tricking and manipulating the Touhous to do what he wants.

And since the theme is humans vs youkai, a writefag could write a story focusing on the villagers based on that crossover fangame.
No. 10525
Jesus, enough with the touhou mother. We get it, it's good, you don't have to mention it every single post.
No. 10527
>>10525
Hey, it's related to the discussion.

Besides, when was the last time it is mentioned?
No. 10528
>>10519
>my writing skill is about as good as Ddyk's.
So that means you can write decently!
No. 10529
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>>10528
as much as i would like to think so it happens that its not the case here bro
No. 10530
>>10522
How am I supposed to have a main character with super-special powers if they're from the boring old human village??
No. 10531
>>10530
You're not.
No. 10532
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>>10530
>implying human from the human villages aren't all badasses used to youkai hunting while outsider are all OP
That's so stupid I can't even see straight any more.
No. 10535
>>10497
you'd rather have a weakling who needs a touhou to hide behind?

But to be honest it's better to show a progression of strenght

>>10522
These days it takes real talent to make the WUiG concept shine. But many see a loss as undoable as it means bad ends which tends to cause Anon to overreact in absurd ways.

But villager-MC stories are pretty rare, only ones I know of are the DEFT series and In the Forest, a Dancing Light.

>>10532
Definitely true, though it'd depend on the villager's job. As the human natives are descended from various hunters,priests, etc. Hunters (or similar job types) would be pretty strong.
No. 10536
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>>10535
That's why it's better to start with a doormat.
No. 10537
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>>10532
>imperial guard
bitch please
No. 10538
>>10518
http://www.touhou-project.com/th/res/32502.html

Suika Wright: Ace Attorney
No. 10539
>>10518
Nah, fuck it. I'm not going to look through the archives to see if YAF's right or not.

Feels bad, man, looking at all those "abandoned" and "stalled" stories.
No. 10540
>>10539
I’d do that. If I wasn’t lazy as shite. I guess stalemate?
No. 10557
Sure is summer here. Lots of new stories are popping up.
No. 10558
>>10557
Is that bad?
No. 10559
>>10558
only if they're short lived shitty knockoffs. I'm more concerned about bad votes than bad stories.
No. 10560
>>10559
>bad votes
Like?
No. 10562
>>10560
Ones I don’t like.
No. 10564
>>10560
obviously moronic votes done for bad reasons (most often "because it's interesting" as a direct result of said newbies either not lurking or doing a half-ass job of it.

if not careful, things would have a real risk of ending up off track. inb4 YAF acts like he knows everything
No. 10567
>>10564
Voting for "the lulz", eh?
No. 10569
>>10567
among the reasons, yes. I've thought upon it and realize we've been very lucky in this regard as I've only remembered one story getting altered to a noticible extent by summer-votes.
No. 10570
Wannabe writefag here.

How can I stop myself from hating my own writing? I can't stop deleting sentences that I've typed just because I feel disgusted reading it afterwards.
No. 10571
>>10570
You can't. Trust me, I tried. You'll always hate what you want at first. It's only when you have experience that you can be satisfied with what you wrote.
All you can do is posting is and waiting for Anon's reaction.
No. 10577
Does it seem to anyone else that the number of new stories is leading to less votes per story?

>>10570
Typically, I just write things out, and better-sounding phrasings can typically come to me for a lot of parts on a second read-through.
No. 10578
>>10564
Christ, we’ve been over that, haven’t we? The issue is writefriends doing two things:
1) Giving options they don’t intend to write (why they do that is beyond me)
2) Not ignoring dumb write-ins
Alternatively, there’s a third option: “deep” ambiguous choices that are OMG SO OBVIOUS YOU JUST GOT TO THINK CAREFULLY that people just pick at random because they don’t know what the fuck they’re voting for. This isn’t the readers’ fault; it’s yours as a writer.

Oh yes, and penguins don’t actually topple over when a plane flies overhead; it’s just a silly anecdote. How’s that about everything for you, huh?
No. 10582
>obviously moronic votes done for bad reasons (most often "because it's interesting"

God forbid stories be interesting.
No. 10583
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10583
Taisa should write again.
No. 10584
>>10577
Not really, this just seems to be a slower time in many areas, except for HY's story in /border/ (but it'll only be a matter of time before he burns out)

>>10582
driving a train (story) off the cliff is only entertaining if you're not in it (reading it)

And in my experience, those who specifically cite interesting tends to vote for things that ultimately ARE NOT INTERESTING.
No. 10586
>>10584
>ARE NOT INTERESTING.
Who are you to say what's interesting and what's not?
No. 10588
>>10583
Dead horse is dead.
Besides, we have a new and improved GH in /th/ now.
No. 10589
Oh fuck me, Is the summer rush starting already?
No. 10590
>>10588
Someday, that story will stop being compared to GH. Someday...
No. 10591
>>10590
It's only existed for under a week, you know.
No. 10593
>>10591
Does that mean you're all going to get the comparisons out of your systems? God, I hope so.
No. 10596
>>10588
Well, Remilia and Sakuya had made their appearance there, so...

I hope SDMfags wouldn't hijack the story.
No. 10597
>>10588
I find it funny for that story to come out near summer (summer = more chance for shitstorms)

So far, there are three possible factions: Eiki, Mystia, and Yoshika.

We'll see how it goes. The shitstorms in GH didn't start until about the fifth thread anyway.
No. 10598
>>10597
You really want the thread to descend into namecalling, don't you?
No. 10599
>>10597
trouble only began due to a rush of new readers with their own plans. If the story'd have trouble, it'll come from the polarizing choice structure.
No. 10601
>>10599
What? Did GH have a polarizing choice structure?
No. 10602
>>10601
Oh it definitely did, it just wasn't an issue before all the new readers that came in around thread 5.

And I'm not reading the new story as a battle will break out and I don't care to get mixed up in another one.
No. 10603
>>10602
So, Team Flandre or Team Rumia?
No. 10605
>>10603
Make write-ins and make it a threesome.

This is the only safe path.
No. 10607
>>10605
Remember, Taisa didn't want a threesome.
>>10602
Well, I'll just bring a popcorn and watch the ensuing hilarity.
No. 10616
>>10453
So, any chance of THP using its fanfiction to create a book and sell it 20 bucks?
Please tell me you won't, please tell me you won't.
No. 10618
>>10518
Hey, you're right, YAF. Tainted Bonds ended up being yet another "romancing Touhou" fic.
No. 10619
>>10618
It's too soon to really tell and it's better to get the romance going than this pussyfooting around it for an ungodly time like some shitty harem anime.
No. 10620
>>10619
Oh, you mean to get the H-scenes going, right?
No. 10621
>>10619
Most romances don't start with forging a fucking soulbond.
No. 10622
>>10621
How rude.
No. 10623
>>10618
So, it's not about some evil force invading Gensokyo?

Son, I am disappoint.
No. 10624
>>10623
It's never about some evil force trying to invade Gensokyo, or an antagonist trying to take over the world.

It's always about the girls.
No. 10625
>>10624
Sometimes it's all three.

I miss Let's Goooooo.
No. 10626
>>10625
Wasn't that story a comedy?

I only read a part of it (the part parodying GH to be exact) so I'm not really sure.
No. 10627
Is it just me or Kahi has stopped updating his stories?

I'm not complaining though.
No. 10628
>>10627
Hush, thou shall not awaken the sleeping beast, for thou shall doom us all, shall thou bring its servants' ire upon us.
No. 10629
>>10626
It was an episodic comedy, yes.
No. 10630
>>10621
>Gensokyo
>Normal.

There's been other cases of spirtiual bonding such as what happened when Both Ran and Komachi saw Sai's past.
No. 10631
>>10630
That's not the same and you know it.
No. 10632
Why is it so hard to find good and fitting words for your story?
I don't want my story to look like it's written by a ten years old.
No. 10633
>>10632
Just turn your MC into a ten years old kid.
No. 10635
>>10633

>Children of Gensokyo

The Human Village has to have descendents. And those descendents don't magically turn into pubescent teens ready to take on elder evils, harem antics, and needless angst overnight.

FUND IT
No. 10637
>>10618

I'd appreciate it if my work wasn't so quickly categorized, because I have a big section labelled "stereotypes to avoid" in my notes, and "spontaneous romance into lighthearted slice-of-life" is one of them.

As for the presence of romance at all: did you think a story with the word "Bonds" in its title would neglect to include the most traditional story relationship of all?

>>10620

I've never actually written H before. My hands quiver at the thought, and I'm not sure if it's out of fear or anticipation.

>>10621

More like contract of absolute servitude. "Soulbond" sounds more balanced than what's really going on.

I do appreciate people choosing to vent any potential frustrations you have in /blue/ rather than shitting story threads themselves, though. inb4 sagebombing
No. 10638
>>10637
Do as anyone else does. Deal with it.
People are not going to change because someone over the Internet is buttdevastatedmad about it. Hell, au contraire! The more buttdevastatedmad you are, the funnier it'll be to poke you.
No. 10639
>>10637
You needn’t fret. Erotica is piss-easy (if you know the first thing about sex, or better, have some personal experience), shallow, and frankly, offers little manoeuvring room in terms of literary finesse. I don’t like it. Or to be more precise, I mislike writing it. I’m fine with reading it, though I do prefer when it’s more of a soft, pillowy romance with a pink lining of erotica. Straightforward erotica is unsophisticated and very simple to pull off, just look at one of my recent updates. A few words about pulling Satori’s hair and biting her neck, and bam, boners.In addition, my story isn’t even a romance, so yes.

Also,
> I'd appreciate it if my work wasn't so quickly categorized
That’s like asking me not to drink. I like booze. People like labels. Deal w/it.
No. 10641
>>10639

Well, I guess I do have personal experience, but still... I mean, someone earlier made a good point about "nonhuman features". I'm afraid I don't have personal experience with that.

>deal with it

B-b-b-b-b-b-but... but... ;_;
No. 10642
>>10641
We all deal with things in our own ways. Your way is vomiting words until you're satisfied. Never let anyone tell you that's wrong.
No. 10643
>>10641
>I mean, someone earlier made a good point about "nonhuman features". I'm afraid I don't have personal experience with that
I don't think there's a lot of people having experience with tentacle rape. And yet, there are still many stories with it.
No. 10644
So, to be a writer, one must be an arrogant person.

I'm not fit to be one then.
No. 10645
>>10644
Lots of writers aren't arrogant. Come on, man, writing is too old and too widely practiced for any one character trait to be a prerequisite.
No. 10646
>>10644
Man, I wish I were an arrogant writefag.

People complaining about your story on /blue/? Well, fuck them! Who the hell do they think they are, trying to stop me from writing?

Writing a crappy story in the past? Who cares? What's important is the present.

Anon sagebombing your thread? Well... Go ask the mods for help. Really, you can't win against this alone.
No. 10647
>>10646
>Anon sagebombing your thread? Well... Go ask the mods for help. Really, you can't win against this alone.
Bow your head, wait until it's over, and open another thread.
No. 10648
>>10647
Keep doing that until the mods notice.
No. 10651
>>10645
It's very easy to write.
It's less easy to take criticism.

Allow me to tell you a tale of my past.
A long time ago, I was a lurker, hiding in the shadows, gathering informations, and laughing at fools.
And one day, I decided to check those so-called "fanfictions", because they couldn't be as bad as I heard, right?
So I went to some website, and I started lurking. And I was disappointed by what I discovered.
The main problem wasn't the story I was reading, even if it was "simple", even by my low demand. No, the main problem was the writefag's answer to those criticism. Rather than accepting criticism like a good writer should do, that one was considering any criticism as personal insults. At first, those reviews were ignored. With time, he answered with insults, threats, and even said he would kill himself. In the end, he went "buttdevastatedmad", gave negative reviews to everyone, and left the website.
And thus end my tale. And, no, I wasn't that writefag (even if I was damn close once, but it's past).


It's necessary to be arrogant, otherwise, as soon as you post your story, you're going to check it every five minutes to see if someone voted or commented, you'll be unable to veto stupid votes, and in the end, Anon will turn you into his personal bitch, writing for His own pleasure, while writing will not be a leisure for you any more. It's good to have a popular story, but it's even more important to enjoy writing your stories. Because if you have a popular story, you can think "yeah, cool, I'm now a real writer, I can have my tilde on IRC and stuff", but writing won't be satisfying for you, and in the end, you won't be happy. On another hand, if your story is mostly ignored, but if you look forward to writing it, then, in my opinion, you're doing it right.
And thus, it's important to be arrogant. Not too arrogant, but just a little bit. Just enough to know that you're doing the right thing. Anon doesn't like your interpretation of Aki, but you love her like that? Keep her like that. Anon doesn't like your lack of plot, but you don't want to bother coming up with a real plot? Then don't.
That's what it means to be a writer. Being able to say "no", and yet being able to say "okay, I screwed up on this one". The most important thing is enjoying yourself, AND, perhaps the most important thing, DON'T BE A WEATHER VANE or whatever you call it. If you decide to write a light-hearted story, keep it that way. Don't try to turn into a philosophical grimdark story about god being dead. If you decide to write a deep serious story, don't suddenly pulls rainbow from everywhere while claiming "it was all a dream XD", because you'll probably piss everyone off. Including the people not reading your story.
And thus, it's important to know yourself, to know if you have the guts to finish what you start. In my opinion, there's nothing worse than an unfinished story, because, still in my opinion, it means that the writefag overestimated himself. One can consider that as arrogance. I call that foolishness. Mainly because I sound like an old sage than I say "foolishness" instead of "being too fucking retarded to notice one doesn't have the balls to finish his goddamn story instead of running away".
And this is the other problem. A writefag being too arrogant will disregard advices and will overestimate his own ability to write a story, while a writefag not being arrogant enough will acept every vote and will underestimate his own ability to write.

I can probably keep on like that for days, but I have things to do, and I'm fairly certain I'm wrong on many points. I'm also fairly certain I'm not the best person to say that, but I think someone needed to tell, because apparently, when you say "writefags have to be arrogant", one understands it as "writefags are fucking gods in their own threads and thus shall smythes the fool and serves thy flesh to the beast".
No. 10652
>>10651
>and even said he would kill himself

Okay, no writer would ever react like this to a criticism.

Except that My Immortal girl.
No. 10653
>>10652
Try to imagine a foreign version of fanfiction.net. With every writer being more or less 15 years old. That'll give you a very accurate idea.
No. 10670
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10670
>>10653

>mfw
No. 10674
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No. 10675
>>10674
Welp, it should be "chirped" there.

More proof that I shouldn't write.
No. 10677
>>10675
*should've been

I'm not good at this, am I?
No. 10682
>>10651
Huh. Think I respect you a bit more now, ddyk. Still not fond of your stories, though.

>If you decide to write a light-hearted story, keep it that way. Don't try to turn into a philosophical grimdark story about god being dead
Well, damn. I'm going to need to replan my story before I start writing it.
Question for any writers: if I want to make a story dark but don't think that starting it that way would work thematically, how gradually or rapidly would be all right for changing the tone?

>>10652
You haven't met many teenagers lately, I take it.
No. 10683
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>>10651
You don't have to be arrogant to be able to stand up for yourself, or to be able to say "no" to your readers, and doing those things doesn't necessarily make you arrogant, either.

It's not arrogance to stand by your decisions. If you fall into a state of depressed self-deprecation at the slightest bit of criticism, it's not because you're "not arrogant enough".

The issue isn't "arrogance" at all, it's confidence, and there is a difference between the two. You can't really be arrogant without having confidence, but you can absolutely be confident without being arrogant. It's all a matter of your state of mind, and how you present yourself.

Say, for example, you are an artist, and people are criticizing your work. How do you respond? Do you get depressed? Angry? Are you reacting more to what is being said, or to who is saying it? Are you inclined to consider each criticism based on its own merits, or do you just dismissive towards anything anyone says to you, regardless of what they're saying? If you respond to your criticisms, how do you do it?

There are ways to deal with criticism that don't require you to be arrogant.
Coincidentally, they also tend to be ways to deal with criticism without being an asshole.

In fact, you will find that there is often a lot of overlap between being arrogant and being an asshole, and neither one is anything anyone should endeavor to be.
No. 10684
>>10683
>Coincidentally, they also tend to be ways to deal with criticism without being an asshole.
The issue here is no matter how soft your “no,” there will be someone that takes it for a sign of arrogance (because you have the gall to decline your Precious Precious Readers Who Always Know Best And To Whose Whim You Are Morally Obligated To Cater). Naturally, you have to be able to spot and ignore these, too.

Incidentally, I’ve noticed a little bit of a tendency in readers that leads them to needlessly defend the author from any criticism, even when it’s completely legit. I should think any author worth a damn should be able to deal with criticism on his/her own, thank you very much.
No. 10685
>>10682
Sure, why not? Just do it gradually and gently. Add some foreshadowing beforehand.
No. 10687
>>10684
>>Incidentally, I’ve noticed a little bit of a tendency in readers that leads them to needlessly defend the author from any criticism, even when it’s completely legit. I should think any author worth a damn should be able to deal with criticism on his/her own, thank you very much.

To be fair, that's true of far more than just stories here. Movies, books, music, fashion, food, political parties, religion, and so on. Anything that you can think of to criticize is bound to have someone willing to jump that thing's defense, regardless of how valid the criticisms may be or how unnecessary such defense even is.
No. 10689
>>10683
Yep, that's my problem. I always get sad and depressed when people criticize my work. I know the criticisms are perfectly legit but there's little to nothing that I can do to fix it. If it's grammar, I can still learn. But if it's writing style (like dry or boring), I've got nothing. I just don't have the talent needed to write beautifully. And that's why I can't stop blaming myself for my bad writing.
No. 10690
>>10689
>But if it's writing style (like dry or boring), I've got nothing.
Read more. When you find a story that isn't dry or boring, steal everything that isn't nailed down.
No. 10691
>>10689
I know that feel, bro.
No. 10692
>>10690
This. I need to do this more.
No. 10693
>>10687
Yes, but you’d think in an image board so fixated on the “quality” of its fics, criticism would be a welcome thing, even encouraged, not something to attack when it appears. There is a serious dissonance between the proclaimed and actual attitudes as far as TH-P is viewed.
>>10689
Getting depressed won’t get you anywhere, and if you really wish to improve, you should stop pitying yourself for your shortcomings – after all, every mess-up you make is an opportunity for improvement, and people learn best on mistakes (theirs or otherwise). Take your criticisms and think how you can prevent the issue presented within from cropping up again (a protip here: “it’s boring,” “I don’t like it,” “character X is too bitchy” aren’t valid criticisms, they’re just opinions, they’re useless for learning, though it’s always nice to know them).

The most general way to get better at writing I can think of is to read other stuff, read, read and read. Imitate structures and patterns employed by other, better writers, memorise previously unknown expressions and collocations, make notes and don’t be afraid to copy encountered habits onto yours (so long as you think they make for a good read). There’s no shame in learning from somebody else’s experience, and by imitating, you’ll develop your own combination of habits and techniques.

Also, don’t be afraid to ask an opinion. Some of us here have had experience in the (boggy) field of writing, editing and publishing, and quite often are willing to share our experiences and tips, even going as far as offering you advice based on your personal writings (as opposed to general advice such as that above).

Since I’m feeling generous, here’s a (very concise and user-friendly) book treating of some incredibly useful techniques for writing. It wasn’t of very much use to me, but it did help me put names to things I’d already known and organise them in my head. I wholeheartedly recommend you to read it. Here it is: http://www.mediafire.com/view/?p1o2pxz4tmz7741
No. 10694
Mother of cock, posting is fucked.
No. 10695
>>10693
u rad
No. 10696
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10696
>>10683
I've been mistaking confidence for arrogance?
Oh good lord, I've been associating those two so often that I think I completely misuderstood them to begin with.
I always associated arrogance with confidence, and in fact, they're completely and utterly different.

However, before I retreat after apologizing for that giant error, I'd like to say something about "You can't really be arrogant without having confidence".
Yes you can. And while I don't like talking about myself, I'd like to explain that it's why I'm nervous each time someone comments on my story. I consider myself as a good writer, because I have high standards (do your best to finish a story, no matter how much you want to drop it, don't use your story to tell your personal life, don't speak about how you're going to write a story unless you mean it), but at the same time, I know that I'm not really meeting THP's own standards (lot of typos, lot of nonsense, weird style). So in the end, I'm arrogant because I consider myself better than those "start a story and drop it" writefags, but I'm not confident because I know that, from THP's eyes, I'm still a low-tier writefag.

In fact, I think it's because I'm arrogant that I haven't dropped my stories yet, but that's kind of not the point.
But, you're entirely right, confidence and arrogance are two different things, and it means that... that I'm not really meeting my own standards here.
About >>10651, some of it makes sense, and you can still follow it, but the arrogance part; I suggest you disregard it, for it appears I've been wrong.

Now, please, allow me to apologize for my poorly attempt at assisting a fellow-wannabe writefag. I shall now retire on a mountain, and reflect on my own mistakes.
See ya later. Or not.
No. 10698
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>>10695
>a writefag
>totally radical

who wulda thunk
No. 10699
And one last thing:
>>10682
>If you decide to write a light-hearted story, keep it that way. Don't try to turn into a philosophical grimdark story about god being dead
>Well, damn. I'm going to need to replan my story before I start writing it.
It depends if you bring it well, or if you bring it out of the blue. For example, I'd like to talk about Higurashi. It's cute, it's violent too, and yet the horror doesn't come out of the blue, because you, the reader, you quickly understand there's something wrong. In fact, at the very beginning of the story, you know that, somehow, it won't end well, so you're not really surprised when everyone start backstabbing everyone.
The thing I recommend to avoid at all cost is the "happy happy day in the pure land of friendship and tea" suddenly turning into "EVERYONE DIES AND YOU LOST ALL YOUR EYES AND YOU'LL BE LIVING IN A SNOWY LAND FOR THE REST OF YOUR WORTHLESS LIFE HAHAHAHA".
You can bring horror suddenly if it pleases you, but I recommend to always put a little something before, so that Anon can think "that's cute and stuff, but what's that story about a missing arm"? And also because it's fun to see Anon trying to guess what's going to happen next, and then slowly make Anon paranoid with meaningful hints dropped here and here. I'm a bad person, I know.

So anyway, I can't, and I won't help you about your question, but I still think you should warn your readers. Not with a "that story may be violent" mention in the title, but rather with a small and innocent line about something being strange. Drop that in your first update, and Anon will grow uneasy. I dunno, for example, if it starts with your character moving in, you can add a small and innocent "that house has one hell of a backstory, but I'm sure I'll be fine".
But don't overdo it. It's fine to drop one threat by update, but don't make it too obvious. I dunno, think of it as if it was the Slenderman from Marble Hornet's videos. That dude is in every movie. Sometimes he's obvious ("YO BRO STANDING IN FRONT OF YOUR WINDOW YO BRO"), and sometimes you have to watch the top right corner at very precisely 02:45:35 to see him. You can try something like that. Just avoid the "cute little stories about littles girls bathing in the sun while a very nice youkai is TEARING A HUMAN IN PIECES AND EATING THE REMAINS WHILE CACKLING MANIACALLY LIKE A NERD FINDING A LIGHTSABER HAHAHAHHAHA THUNDER AND LIGHTNING VERY VERY FRIGHTENING GALLILEO GALLILEO".

That's one hell of a last thing.
No. 10700
So, when did we stop hating YAF?
No. 10701
>>10700
When he stopped deserving it.
No. 10702
I think this is the most constructive a rage thread's been in a while.

I'm entirely okay with this.
No. 10704
>>10702
All I saw in this thread was ddyk and yaf sucking each other's dicks.
No. 10706
>>10700

When most people decided to simply avoid him, or when they were replaced by newer people who wasn't here when the hate began and/or never experienced RaAN.

I still dislike and avoid him, though.
No. 10707
What if we think homoerotic writefag-on-writefag action is constructive?

In all seriousness, I agree that this has been a very productive thread.

tl;dr: Not good at writing? Read what people call "good" writing. Imitate, assimilate, then replicate. A good writer says he devours others' literature because he "-ate" it all.

... I'm not very witty, am I...
No. 10709
>>10706
I never asked this question before, but since I’m tiddly right now, I might as well.

Was I actually named as the one to blame for RaAN’s demise by the author, or was it just something people came up with afterwards? I accept all the blame there is, but I never quite saw a clear answer to this one. I never even saw any of the RaAN threads. I’m really in the dark in this. Someone please enlighten me.
No. 10710
I want to bitch about powerlevel discussion.
They're useless, they don't serve any purpose, and yet every dumbass will join one to defend his waifu.
No. 10711
>>10710
Murasa sinks relationships.
No. 10712
>>10506
>>Maybe this is the effect of me spending too much time in Spacebattles crossover threads. My God, the Touhous are wanked there.
Yeah, but those posts almost always get mocked, made fun of, or flat out ignored, so I don't really see the issue. Unless you're talking about Barricade's posts, in which case the problem is Barricade himself, for which there is no fix.
No. 10714
>>10637
>>I do appreciate people choosing to vent any potential frustrations you have in /blue/ rather than shitting story threads themselves, though.
That's only because we're making a point of reporting the fuckers when they start doing it outside of the rage threads any more.
No. 10719
>>10707
Eh, I chuckled.

>>10714
Oh, good, other people are doing this.
No. 10720
>>Oh, good, other people are doing this.
When you say that, do you mean "Oh good, I don't have to bother dealing with it", or do you mean "Huh, seems I'm not the only one"?
No. 10738
>>10712
Reading that guy's posts always make me facepalm and rage at the same time.

I think one of his posts had been posted here before.
No. 10740
>>10707
And as far as the "not good at writing" thing goes, I'd imagine at least 60% of the bad can be exorcised by simple proper spelling and grammar.

The other 40%, well, if you suck, you suck, and write more to write the bad out, I guess.
No. 10742
So, future writefags are trained by YAF and Hartmann.

We got ourselves a bright future here, folks.
No. 10743
>>10740

60% of bad writing is due to grammar? 10% at best and 30% more due to general writing style. Just read this:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BadWritingIndex?from=Main.BadWriting

The amount of things that can go wrong is incredible, and only a handful has anything to do with grammar.
No. 10744
>>10742
Next time I’ll take off my trip so you can sleep easier and more knowledgeable. Or, you could just judge the advice by its actual merit and not by its author, you fuzzy, slack-lipped cunt-twat. I fucke’d you’re touho, your father is a hamster and you are a tit.
No. 10745
And I don’t like you.
No. 10747
>>10744
THP loves to condemn/praise stories based just on who wrote them, especially if they're mouthy about things.
No. 10748
>>10743
>"I don't care what happens to these people."
Sums up a lot of my problems with Touhou fics in general.
No. 10749
>>10747
Fuck that. I’m not foolish enough to believe in the Death of the Author, but
>passing up free advice because of some petty grievances
Yeah, nah, he’s a cunt.
No. 10750
>>10743
I say 60% because are you going to read something that looks like somebody threw up a bunch of letters on a keyboard?

Because I know I will but only to mock.
No. 10753
>>10742
Next time I won't use my trip so that you can stop being buttdevastatedmad about silly things.
Or maybe I won't, because I think it's important to let people know I care about them, especially when they're makin sense and actually arguing smartly (like >>10683 did ).

On another hand, I look forward to seeing a bunch of mini-yaf and mini-me invading the boards. That sounds fun (in a Dwarf Fortress sense).
No. 10754
>>10753
Maybe it's just me, but I rather like Yaf and Hartmann.

They're not terrible people.
No. 10756
>>10754
Signs of the times to be honest, and a good one as the newcomers won't hold ancient offenses against people and those upset over it are having their influence wane.
No. 10757
>>10693
So, using that book you gave me, I tried to improve one of the stories here.

Apologies to Ddyk for using his story without his consent.

Original:
>You stretch yourself. That's all you wanted to know about the Lunar Capital. Now, what you need are information about Toyohime herself. Last time she tried to kill you, she was alone, and you almost managed to kill her before being disintegrated. This time, she'll probably still be alone, but you can expect more lunarian gadgets or weapons to kill you.

My version:
>You stretch yourself. That's all you desired to know about the Lunar Capital. Now, what you need is information of Toyohime herself. Last time she sought to kill you, she stood alone, and you nearly managed to slay her before being torn apart into a million pieces. This time, she'll most likely be still alone, but you can rely upon the fact that she’ll bring about more Lunarian gadgets or weapons for one reason, to eliminate you.

Am I doing it right?
No. 10758
>>10757
Well enough, grasshopper.

Though be a little bit careful: much further and you'll be writing purple prose.

That's something you'll want to be avoiding.
No. 10759
>>10757
No problem. You've been improving it.
No. 10761
>what constitutes bad writing

Well, there are two parts to any story; the mechanics, and the plot.

The most basic parts of mechanics are spelling, punctuation, and grammar. If you can't handle these three most basic things, take an English class or read some review books before you try to write a story - gods know that when I was taking a creative writing class, the amount of people who failed these three basic things was unbelievable.

Mechanics goes on to include writing style as a whole, which is where things get... fuzzy. There's no single "best" style, and you can't "learn" one - you really have to keep on writing and trying until you come to write in a style that at least 60% of people won't vomit at. Style includes things like how you designate dialogue, separate paragraphs, and even use descriptions. What kind of vocabulary do you use? What "strictly grammatical" rules are you bending because you think the story reads better? (Disclaimer: bending grammar rules is only rarely effective, and usually ends up making you look like a twat.)

And then writing styles can be polarizing; some people abhor the second-person style often seen here, while others love it. I enjoy YAF's style in his Tenshi Satori story in (on?) /underground/, but there are people who find it "too British" or something. When writing something from the first person and trying to get across a sense of say disorientation or confusion, is it better to tell the reader that "I was confused" and risk that being too boring, or get creative with your writing style and risk confusing your reader as well?

tl;dr: Secure a basic grasp of English, then read and experiment to find a style that both works for you and pleases your target audience.

As for plot... well, that's a huge scope of things. I don't normally endorse trope lists as educational tools, but >>10743 is pretty good at listing some (but not all!) areas of potential plot weakness. Do note that such a list is not a holy scripture; you can certainly get away with some of the listed things, and some people will disagree whether or not a story contains a certain problem or not, and sometimes (although rarely) a story will be stronger for including one of those, but so long as you keep your head on your shoulders and accept and realize that your story's plot may have certain weaknesses, you're doing good.

And that's not even considering the question of "what is your story about", which is different than plot, but let's broach that topic later.

Unrelated:

>>10742

>rage at the person, not their words

What are you, a politician, denouncing your opponent's words just because "they're (a/an) X", where X ranges from a member of the opposing party to something very obscene?

Well, I know what you are for being so short-sighted.

ur a faget
No. 10800
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>>10761
>"too British"
Tough shite, eh old chap?
No. 10802
>>10800
>too british
>french costume
Nice to see you're finally understanding who's the best.
No. 10821
First Easter Night, now Theater of Youth...
Either it's that Summer frenzy, either it's finally time for that-story-that-should-not-be-named to be forgotten and replaced.
No. 10822
>>10821
What's Theater of Youth?
No. 10823
>>10822
>/others/44424

Not really a reader, but apparently it's also an high school story.
No. 10824
>>/others/44424
No. 10827
>>10824
>self-proclaimed fiance

Man, it's like I'm watching my harem animes again.

Oh, it's made purposely that way. Alice is a shitty writefag.
No. 10850
>>10821
Easter Night?
Also, not sure which story of several possible ones you might be referring to.
No. 10851
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>>10824
Two Highschool AU's at the same time? Nothing could go wrong!
just all my hopes and dreams.
No. 10852
>>10850
Eastern High.

C'mon, that was obvious.

>>10851
One of them is chock full of paranoia though.

So yeah, Eastern High has officially stopped being a GH clone.

Now it's a GA:SD clone.
No. 10898
Wait, Lion finished his story?

Well. Fuck. Now /youkai/ is going to die.
No. 10900
>>10898
There's at least two other new stories there. Don't be mean to the new blood.
No. 10905
I want to bitch about how rare bad ends are these days.

Seriously, stop pampering anon, when their decisions are stupid, do something about it.
No. 10906
>>10905
Bad ends in the terms of "shark end" or bad ends in the terms of "snow end"?
No. 10907
>>10905
Ignore their bullshit, do something else? With the amount of time invested in writing it's just stupid to sabotage and waste your work by having bad ends and starting off at earlier points. You have to correct stupid/bad behavior in some other way.
No. 10908
>>10906
Define "snow end", I've never heard of it before.
No. 10909
>>10908
You must be new here.
No. 10910
>>10908
Let's just say the 'death' of a story was taken in a more literal sense with the snow end.

So, What happened to normal 'bad ends' again?
No. 10911
>>10910
a mix of anon getting smarter and writers preferring to do more longer lasting drawbacks.

That and too many bad ends cause writers to quit and anon to become cowards.
No. 10919
>>10910
The more literal 'death' wasn't until significantly after the snow end, technically.
No. 10979
I want to bitch about Spacebattlers invading this site.

I know it's summer but damn, couldn't you keep your faggotry there? Even the /tg/ folks are better than you.
No. 10980
>>10979
We already knew you wanted to bitch about that, but thanks for the update.
No. 10981
>>I want to bitch
Yes, yes you do.
No. 10982
I want to bitch about that "BAUS" story.
I have the feeling it's more a "let's put X in Gensokyo" than a real story.
No. 10983
>>10982
Blame Spacebattles for the idea.
No. 10984
Let's put X in Gensokyo stories are real stories. They're just not very good ones. Usually.
No. 10988
>>10983
Not surprising considering they have a tradition of pulling crossovers out their ass just because "it's cool and awesome!"
No. 10991
>>10988
DnD and touhou is cool and awesome.
No. 10992
I miss the days where Touhou was still obscure.

I despise most of the fandom nowadays.

>>10991
ZnT and Touhou are not.
No. 10994
>>10992
all a matter of the talent of the person writing. Sadly most folks that try a crossover aren't that talented and don't plan things out well.

Demetrious is an exception to that.
No. 11013
So that people won't complain that there was still another post left in this thread.
No. 11030
>>11013
Dammit man, there was another post in this thread!